Why does the WTS do this over and over and over again? Why do they think that their selective quoting of non attributed sources are not going to be exposed?
Great catch!
konceptual99
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July's watchtower leaves out some important info from a quote!
by stavro injerome over on discuss the truth has picked up on something interesting.. in the july watchtower on page 28 of the article entitled “winning the battle for your mind” the following statement is made “keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.
because propaganda is likely to be most effective, says one source, if people… are discouraged from thinking critically.”.
the quote comes from a book entitled: “media and society in the twentieth century: a historical introduction by lyn gorman, david mclean" the watchtower however, chose to leave out a portion of the quote.. the full quote is "therefore, it is likely to be most effective if people do not have access to multiple sources of information and if they are discouraged from thinking critically.. the following sentence which the watchtower also decided was best not to include states,.
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New letter about Circuit Conventions accounting procedures
by Hecce ini hope that one of the friends will post the letter soon.
i heard that on 3/27/2017 a letter with new instructions about the accounts at the circuit conventions was released.
the letter seems to adopt many of the corrections that had been suggested here at the forum, among other things during the accounts report they will be no mention of the per capita and the amount due is going to be released only to the elders.
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konceptual99
Because the WTS has a cultural norm of keeping things on a need to know basis. It's allows layers of authority and privilege to be created meaning people get to aspire to reach the next position of knowledge.
Also, but I don't think this is the reason, it would also expose the number of people that are not turning up given that the attendance is announced. If they also announced the per capita fee being charged then you could easily work out how many publishers there are on the books and how many don't turn up.
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The Latest Trend in NW England: Homeschooling Your Children
by pale.emperor ini dont know if this is becoming a national thing or even globally.
but im hearing more and more people i knew from my jw days have taken their kids out of school to home school them instead.
in my sisters case she's taken her 8yo and 6yo children out already and her 3yo wont ever start a school.
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konceptual99
I can't think of a single Witness I know who homeschools (and there are many, including members of my own family) who argue that they are doing it so their child has the best possible academic opportunity. It's not even in the top five reasons.
I really doubt that hordes of Witnesses are pulling their kids out of schools in Liverpool and the NW so they have a better chance to get good A Levels and attend uni.
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Bible writers ignored their own principle
by venus inbible gives a very beneficial principle when it states “too much talk” is problematic whereas “anyone who holds his tongue is prudent.” (proverb 10:19) in harmony with this if bible had given us just enough verses like this: “remember god always and do everything as an offering to him” (ecclesiastes 12:1; colossians 3:17), it could have kept itself invincible.. instead, it started to speak “too much” which often backfired.
1) too much information on a too less important subject (such as woman’s menstruation) and yet too less information on too important subject such as creation which comes in just one sentence: god created “the mankind in his image.” (genesis 1:27).
2) jesus was taken to a mountain top so that he and satan could see “all the kingdoms of the earth” [which is in support of flat-earth belief], and satan tried to tempt jesus by offering them all in exchange of an act of worship to him.
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konceptual99
yet too less information on too important subject such as creation which comes in just one sentence: God created “the mankind in His image.” (Genesis 1:27)
Well this is an example of Jehovah's skills in foretelling the future not being as ace we were led to believe since he didn't seem capable of working out that his creation would develop the craft of methodical scientific research and start undermining every aspect of Bible mythology.
There is an oft used excuse the the Bible is not a work of science. No shit, Sherlock. If it was then perhaps the idea that God exists and cares for mankind could be more readily reconciled with the fact that the Bible does very little to enhance our understanding of the world around us one iota.
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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'
by darkspilver inhaha!
yes folks!
it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.
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konceptual99
Thanks Blondie & Fed up
The one I was thinking of is even older and I found it on the WT Library. It's the KM 11/99...
19 Study Aids via the Internet? Some have felt that they are rendering a service to the brothers by posting researched information in connection with various theocratic activities. For example, a person may do research based on a public-talk outline and then post this, thinking that such information will benefit those who need to prepare the same outline. Others will post all the scriptures for an upcoming Watchtower Study or provide source material for the Theocratic Ministry School or the Congregation Book Study. Some may offer suggestions for field ministry presentations. Are such really helpful?
Emphasis is mine.
20 The publications provided by Jehovah’s organization stimulate our minds with upbuilding thoughts and train us “to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Heb. 5:14) Can we say that this is achieved if others do our research for us?
21 The Beroeans were spoken of as “more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica.” Why? Because “they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11) Although Paul and Silas preached to them, they could not make the truth their own without becoming personally involved.
22 Using another person’s research for a talk or for other meeting preparation really defeats the purpose of personal study. Is it not your desire to build up your own personal faith in God’s Word? Based on personal conviction, you can then make public expression of your faith—in your talks, in comments at the meetings, and in the field ministry. (Rom. 10:10) Using another person’s research does not fit the description given at Proverbs 2:4, 5 to personally ‘keep seeking and searching for the very knowledge of God as for hid treasures.’
23 For example, when looking up scriptures in your own copy of the Bible, you can briefly review the context of each scripture. You can ‘trace all things with accuracy,’ as did Luke when he wrote his Gospel. (Luke 1:3) The extra effort will also help you to be skillful in looking up scriptures in the ministry and when giving talks. Many have stated that they are impressed with Jehovah’s Witnesses because they know how to use their Bibles. The only way that this can apply to us is if we make it a practice personally to look up scriptures in our own Bibles.
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NEW PUBLICATION!..... 'References for Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook'
by darkspilver inhaha!
yes folks!
it's an eight page printout from the cd-rom of the scriptures and wt reference for use during the midweek clam meeting.. 'references for life and ministry meeting workbook'.
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konceptual99
I remember there being counsel years ago about brothers creating very similar documents for the school and service meetings and distributing them via email and forums. The org told them not to do it as it could discourage ones from doing their own study and research.
I wonder if a record of this exists in any of the archives?
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Witnesses' Moral Apathy
by konceptual99 inone of the hardest things for me to learn about myself as i have mentally exited "da troof" is that i have a weak moral compass and i think this is common to many witnesses.
i mean that as i have allowed less and less of my thinking to be framed by witness doctrine, i have had to start thinking for myself about how i feel about certain things.
for example, what do i feel about war, freedom of speech for extremists, charitable works, political views, animal welfare and much, much more.. this was underlined this weekend when i attended the circuit assembly (approx 900 attendees, 3 baptised - 2 born ins btw) where the bethel speaker said that witnesses have booked their ticket out of this system and don't have to worry about the wars and famines of this world because they know it's all going to pass with the new system.. in another thread it's been mentioned that the wts is failing to mention other groups being marginalised and persecuted in russia alongside witnesses.. as a witness i never realised the extent to which i was blind to the moral dilemmas that most other people have to think about, educate themselves on and come to a point of view about.
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konceptual99
One of the hardest things for me to learn about myself as I have mentally exited "da troof" is that I have a weak moral compass and I think this is common to many Witnesses. What do I mean by this?
I mean that as I have allowed less and less of my thinking to be framed by Witness doctrine, I have had to start thinking for myself about how I feel about certain things. For example, what do I feel about war, freedom of speech for extremists, charitable works, political views, animal welfare and much, much more.
This was underlined this weekend when I attended the circuit assembly (approx 900 attendees, 3 baptised - 2 born ins btw) where the Bethel speaker said that Witnesses have booked their ticket out of this system and don't have to worry about the wars and famines of this world because they know it's all going to pass with the New System.
In another thread it's been mentioned that the WTS is failing to mention other groups being marginalised and persecuted in Russia alongside Witnesses.
As a Witness I never realised the extent to which I was blind to the moral dilemmas that most other people have to think about, educate themselves on and come to a point of view about. Of course some people still fail to educate themselves on a matter but Witnesses have their thinking skills muted simply through the deference to the Sky Daddy having "a plan".
This perhaps is one thing when it's something like a political opinion but this also leads to wholesale ignoring of the many, many people who need help in our world. It might be the homeless person in the vicinity of the preaching trolley, the charity needed funds to help a group of under-privileged kids, those displaced by the war in Syria, famine victims in Africa and so on.
The suffering endured on a daily basis by millions of men, women and children becomes a side note, something that can be ticked off as a by product of the future paradise that means they will a wheelbarrow of fruit and a house by a lake.
When I speak to friends and family it is painful to see how easily they dismiss the suffering of others or ignore ethical and moral dilemmas for the sake of convenience simply because they can't even begin to think about this issues raised.
According to the guy from bethel, we are all God's children and loved by him but apparently not so much that he is actually doing something to stop the suffering. His love is limited to giving a handful of the population a free pass to the land of willful ignorance.
They don't have to care since supposedly God does.
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What the "Worldly" media has to say about the proposed Russian ban of JWs
by NikL ininteresting to read the reports from around the world.
i doubt many jws have read any of them.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-government-jehovahs-witnesses-extremist-group-lawsuit-supreme-court-a7634671.html.
russian authorities threatened to close jehovah’s witnesses administrative centre last march, when they issued a formal warning to the congregation that the “religious association will be subject to liquidation” if it failed to eliminate within two months the violations identified by the government as “extremist”.
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konceptual99
would you consider this extremism ?
ALL those who read the Bible, WITHOUT associating with the Watchtower org are slandered as being *like satan* !I'd consider it religious rhetoric, nonsense. There is far worse preached at pulpits throughout the conservative bible belt in the US week in and week out.
Far more concerning is the unwillingness to create a public and cohesive child abuse policy, the maintaining of the hypocritical and illogical stance on blood, the shunning of those that don't want to be Witnesses any more, the use of tax laws to maximise income with no community benefit and so on.
These all need addressing but are they such a danger to the Russian state that 150000+ people need to be turned into criminals?
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What the "Worldly" media has to say about the proposed Russian ban of JWs
by NikL ininteresting to read the reports from around the world.
i doubt many jws have read any of them.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-government-jehovahs-witnesses-extremist-group-lawsuit-supreme-court-a7634671.html.
russian authorities threatened to close jehovah’s witnesses administrative centre last march, when they issued a formal warning to the congregation that the “religious association will be subject to liquidation” if it failed to eliminate within two months the violations identified by the government as “extremist”.
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konceptual99
I am 100% with those that are against this ban. The way to handle the destructive aspects of high control religious adherence is not through bulldozing human rights. Of course you can point to the hurt and pain caused by people following practices like shunning and we know that the rhetoric about governments and other religions is adversarial but you are about to see the criminalisation of 150000+ people simply for their beliefs, most of which have zero impact on the community as a whole.
Putin is cracking down on all sorts of minorities and so called undesirables. The government is full of those chomping at the bit to bring back all the worst aspects of Russian life 40 years ago in an effort to maintain their grip on power. Only this weekend they have arrested the opposition leader for protesting about government corruption.
I am more than happy to see the WT leadership brought down a peg or two through the exposure of their hypocritical power plays in the court of law or through things like the ARC.
I have woken up to TTATT but there is no way I would wish to see my wife or friends criminalised overnight. What is happening in Russia however has to be seen in the bigger picture. For those Witnesses in Russia my opinion is that we have to put aside the desire to see the organisation suffer to understand that some fundamental human rights are being attacked in a way that is dangerous to anyone else deemed to be on the wrong side of Russian government opinion.
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West Coast North American Trip
by konceptual99 ini am planning a trip to the west coast from vancouver down to southern ca and would like to be able to discuss it with some of you guys who know that part of the world.
i would like to do it in private so as not to give things away to anyone snooping so wondering on the best way of having a private group chat.
facebook maybe?.
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konceptual99
Hi,
I am planning a trip to the west coast from Vancouver down to southern CA and would like to be able to discuss it with some of you guys who know that part of the world. I would like to do it in private so as not to give things away to anyone snooping so wondering on the best way of having a private group chat. Facebook maybe?
TIA k99