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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  konceptual99

  Applewhite was blinded by greenbacks into not doing her due diligence and believing the spin given to her by WT legal. When she was called out on this nonsense by the ARC then she had no choice other than to start accepting the conclusions of the ARC or face yet further damage to her credibility.

  If she had done her job properly in the first place then she would have no doubt presented the WT with a highly critical report from day one and never have been put up by the organisation as a secular representative. In fact, her name would never have been mentioned by the WTS.
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  My wife and I are hooked on European series screening on SBS TV

  by smiddy in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  whether they be norwegian ,danish ,french or whatever , having sub-titles doesnt bother us as their usually is a mix of english dialogue as well.. some examples : tracked ,the tunnell ,the bridge ,dicte ,borgen ,just to name a few.another one i`m watching now about the middle east the name just escapes right now .. anybody else watching these shows ?.

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  konceptual99

  Channel 4 has a load under the Walter Presents banner.
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  the 2013 NWT in Dutch ---- when ??

  by menrov in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we are almost in 2017 and some 3 to 4 years have passed since the release of the 2013 revised nwt.

  also, i am supposed to believe much money has been spent on rto's.

  and as the end is even closer, i should have access to the "best translation ever" in my own language...how else can i be saved???.

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  It's already in DOUBLE-DUTCH, what more do you want??!!
  George

  That made me chuckle out loud :D
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  Kingdom Hall Renovation Question: Who Pays?

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so last night it was announced at the local hall that the ldc had decided against building a new hall, and that the existing hall would be "renovated.

  the prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now.

  in fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the rbc for a new hall.

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  This is happening time and time again. Congregations have been ponying up the funds for new halls for years only to have it grabbed by the LDC. They have then had to wait a couple of years and onwards now only to be told that nothing of substance will happen. As Stephane says, the onus for managing the maintenance of ageing facilities falls on the local congregation. This is no major problem for those congregations with more modern facilities but for those congregations with knackered halls then they are looking at fairly major works.

  Alternatively, a hall is sold with the existing congregation told to go to another facility. This is exactly what has happened in Brighton. The funds from multiple congregations were grabbed, a facility put up for sale and no upgrades or new halls instigated even through the other halls were now getting more use.
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  Elders School 2017: New instructions to handle sexual abuses?

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  an informant in spanish forum, active elder in a congregation in madrid (spain) has posted new info regarding elders school 2017. important changes are to be done for "child" or sexual abuses.

  https://abusostj.vbulletin.net/forum/main-forum/audiencias-judiciales/5506-escuela-de-ancianos-2017.

  doing a summary:.

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  I am not sure where the implication that this means that anyone reporting an allegation would essentially be disassociating themselves comes from.

  I understand the legalistic approach with blood transfusions that has been taken and I also know that historically pressure of judicial action has been actively and implicitly placed on individuals to keep stumm to protect the congregation and/or not repeat an allegation where only one witness is prepared to testify but the WTS has made it clear several times now that they consider it the absolute right of the victim to report an allegation to the authorities without sanction.

  I am no apologist for the WTS on this and can see holes galore in their process and endemic cultural resistance to change on the matter but am not clear where the association between this current "cover your ass" move and disassociation comes.
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  Black Mirror TV Series

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  if you're looking for something new to watch, i can really recommend this show.

  it's on netflix and there is a new series starting soon.

  don't let "series" put you off - they are only 3 or 6 episodes long.. how to describe it?.

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  konceptual99

  Charlie Brooker is only next to Chris Morris for quality of script writing this type of TV in my book.
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  Elders School 2017: New instructions to handle sexual abuses?

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  an informant in spanish forum, active elder in a congregation in madrid (spain) has posted new info regarding elders school 2017. important changes are to be done for "child" or sexual abuses.

  https://abusostj.vbulletin.net/forum/main-forum/audiencias-judiciales/5506-escuela-de-ancianos-2017.

  doing a summary:.

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  If this is true it represents yet another example of the legalistic approach of the WTS rather than simply looking to best practice and unilaterally reporting. Rather than allowing a truly pastoral environment of care, comfort and support it's one of yet more formalities, more "sign this", paper shuffling nonsense just so the onus for any progression with the authorities can be firmly thrown at the feet of the victim and their family.

  This is not shepherding. It's project management.
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  UK Kingdom Halls for sale

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  " and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

  sell !

  sell !

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  konceptual99

  Whilst most sub-urban Witnesses in the UK are not used to travelling great distances to halls and territory the majority suck up whatever inconvenience they are put through by the WTS. In my area for instance people have had to travel further whilst hall building has taken place. If they closed a couple of single congregation halls and made people travel then there would be some noises but ultimately very few would vote with their sofas and stop coming.
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  A brief overview of concepts of how life developed - from the UK BBC

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161026-the-secret-of-how-life-on-earth-began.

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  konceptual99

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6348035359506432/great-bbc-article-on-abiogenesis

  :whistle: :)
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  Have the Elders ever been instructed by their bethel to call the police for abuse?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  right now, there are a lot of talks on this topic in quebec and, at the mid week meeting, they are reading the letter sent in 2002 where it states that the elders will call the authorities if the law forces them to.

  the strange thing is, it looks like even when there are laws to that effect, jws seem to believe that it does not apply to them.

  for instance, i know that they do not report anything in quebec, even if it is the law!

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  In principle I don't actually completely disagree with the instruction to call Bethel Legal in as much as there are potentially legal obligations and implications for the elders that they may not be aware of, especially in a country where local (e.g. state) laws and agencies may differ. The problem is that the WTS has a cultural deficiency in being able to understand what is the moral and ethical right course of action compared to what their legal obligations are. They would rather the government tell them what to do than even consider changing their policies to reflect the best practice being implemented by many other organisations.

  This is a cultural meme that replicates itself through the hierarchy. It is why elders, some of whom are intelligent and thoughtful people, cannot find it in themselves to follow their conscience and take action even when not explicitly forbidden by their superiors at Bethel. It is why relatives of victims cannot take action as their deference to WTS culture overrides their own moral judgement. It's why loyal congregation members support the organisation and it's policies without ever questioning or considering that morals, ethics and conscience can override whatever the legal obligations of a organisation or individual may be.