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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  konceptual99

  It's true they are not dogmatic about the 7000 years anymore. It's true they refer to the periods in indeterminate terms. It's true they don't think the creative days were 7000 years long.

  What you will not find in WT literature however is any rejection of short timescales for the age of the earth. You will not find any outright acceptance of the scientific concensus.

  I would agree that few younger witnesses would think in terms of or perhaps even know about a creative day of 7000 years but if that's what an individual witness wishes to believe, as some old timers still do, then there is nothing in current WT literature to say they need to change their view.

  It's typical WT obfuscation about the acceptance of scientific fact and concensus - keep it ambiguous, keep it from promoting confidence in science but avoid outright conflict with science so the sound bites for the public can be kept sweet....
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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  konceptual99

  Yup - it's a case of looking at what the WTS actually says rather than what they would like to think they say.

  Sure they don't have a position that is 100% in opposition with science anymore but the way it is cached is hardly a ringing endorsement for science and critical thinking.
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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  konceptual99

  The 7000 year long creative day argument has not been 100% fully rejected. What they have said is that the creative days could be many 1000s of years long, allowing for a time range from their old doctrine right up to the 4.6 billion years that science suggests. They are not so dogmatic about 7000 years but they've not said anything that puts the idea completely to bed.

  Of course, most modern day Witnesses just go with the science as it's less controversial however there are still ones around who think of far shorter timescales, some still thinking the dinosaurs were around with Noah. I know - some of them are in my congregation....

  The current WT stance allows them to be pedantic about suggesting they agree with the scientific community without ever really distancing themselves from a position that weakens their secular credibility, It's doublespeak just like their silly statements about creationism.
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  KH for sale--Ryde --isle of Wight--UK

  by stan livedeath in

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  sheer joy.. the local kingdumb hall is up for sale.

  a quick build from 1984. i went in there once--for a relative's wedding.

  half a million pounds.. http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-44198850.html.

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  Presumably then the Ryde cong is off to meet at Shanklin or Newport.

  I used to know some people on the IoW - I remember one high up elder Steve(?) Joshua who had a son called Jevron. I think he got DF'ed.
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  So.....Blended VS Single Malt

  by ctrwtf in

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  just wondering.

  for you scotch lovers, i've been partial to singles for a long time, but was recently given a bottle of johnnie walker green.

  i think i've fallen in love.

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  Blended Oh dear....
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  "Don't you want our kids to have what we had?"

  by schnell in

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  my wife just asked me this.

  my answer, in no uncertain terms, is no.

  we both grew up in the dub religion.

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  You are correct Room 215 in that there are indeed many liberally minded JWs - I was one. The problem is that all the time these ones mitigate for the organisation's faults and allow the cognitive dissonance to work against their better judgement they are locked into the basic control mechanisms that prevent one from becoming mentally free.

  It's almost worse for me that my wife remains in this state as if she were an uber loyal fundamentalist as I could feel less aggrieved at what is essentially wilful ignorance. She is quite capable of grasping the issues but cannot get over the CD. I can't blame her as she is as much of a victim of circumstance as I was but it actually requires even more CD when you have a more "balanced" worldview since there is less of what is normal to most people that you outright reject.
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  "Don't you want our kids to have what we had?"

  by schnell in

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  my wife just asked me this.

  my answer, in no uncertain terms, is no.

  we both grew up in the dub religion.

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  I am in a very similar boat. Only yesterday I used the nonsense spouted in the public talk about 1.9 billion hours, 260k baptised, 9 mill bible studies to try and reiterate to my wife what a joke this is. I reminded her that this equates to 7300 hours spent in the ministry to get one person in. I compared the 8 million witnesses to just 9 million studies - just over 1 per publisher. I explained to her that the net gain last year was just 18k.

  I tried use the fact that in just about 10 years or even less Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other web sites had gone from nothing to monsters of the internet with a ubiquitous global reach. I asked her why the holy spirit was not acting on the GB to give them similar success? I suggested that the work was simply not about the urgent preaching of a life saving message, as proposed by the public speaker, but rather a complete waste of time. How is standing by carts for hours on end talking to nobody manifesting a sense of urgency? How is the inability of the GB to reach billions of people in many lands a global preaching work? How is 260k new ones in one year anywhere near enough to meet the needs of the net 120k people added every day to the world population?

  Her answer? Perhaps Jehovah wants us simply to be out there, being busy. Perhaps this is how he wants the preaching done. I can't believe the irony of her own words were so lost on her. She's not stupid, just blind, the same as I was for years. She won't see until she wants to, if ever.
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  REAL Community service now allowed?

  by ab.ortega in

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  at watchtowers website there is an undated article under "helping the community" relating how in 2015, jw's from russia participated in the 'springtime beautification of the city'.

  it is not stated but more than likely this had to do with preparations for some assembly or something.

  a group of witness going out to clean the community just for goodwill - i don't see it happening.

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  Thanks for the clarification IM. It's even worse than simply trying to suck up to the authorities.
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  The increasing WT magazine

  by darkspilver in

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  apart from the interesting block color change for the title strip on the front page.... the new 2017 wt mag has some new (updated printing figures):.

  2016: produced each issue: 58,987,000 available in 282 languages .

  2017: produced each issue: 61,651,000 available in 294 languages.

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  konceptual99

  Don't forget that now the carts are loaded up with magazines.
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  REAL Community service now allowed?

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at watchtowers website there is an undated article under "helping the community" relating how in 2015, jw's from russia participated in the 'springtime beautification of the city'.

  it is not stated but more than likely this had to do with preparations for some assembly or something.

  a group of witness going out to clean the community just for goodwill - i don't see it happening.

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  Agree with Steve. I think it's a bit of a publicity stunt to try and demonstrate JWs are just normal citizens who like to perform their civic duty.