Yup Kate - the problem is that being identified as a trouble maker is worse than most other crimes in WT world. It's one step down from being labelled an apostate, which we all know is the worst of the worst.
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Fading 2.0
by pale.emperor inthe following examples are true.
witnessed by myself and many many other jw's of my age generation.. they're examples of a successful fade, and a failed fade and what we can learn from them.. the successful fade.
sister c - she gets baptized at 19yo.
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Clickable Link Function
by cofty inhi simon - the site seems to be stripping out links.. can work around it by pasting the url but it was neater to be able to embed the link in some text.
is it a temp glitch?.
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konceptual99
The links to Nature have been fine but Kate and I are having a problem linking to pages in a thread. If you see our recent posts on the L/H molecule thread then you will see a couple of examples.
On this note, is there going to be a way of linking to a specific post?
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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konceptual99
I am hoping it will be way above my secondary school level of chemistry and I will be unable to understand the detail Kate!
The link thing is odd. Neither of ours work. Let's try this - readers will just have to go to page 8 (or 4) depending on their post per page settings.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5727195389493248/seeking-support-where-can-christian-go
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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konceptual99
That's where this thread started. Kate was responding to my comments elsewhere that (a) I was frustrated at the way every conversation where a deity was introduced to explain some or all of the naturalistic processes we see around us ended with the believer obfuscated straight forward arguments with any number of logical fallacies and diversionary tactics (in that case accusing Cofty of bullying) and (b) how I thought Kate, as someone with a formal scientific background, should be a perfect person to demonstrate how the scientific method supports her conclusions that a deity is involved.
We now end up here. 28 pages into a thread where the lack of adherence to logic, reason and fairly basic science is yet another glowing example of cause of my original frustration. It's yet another case that proves the point.
I really hope that Kate's response to Cofty, after 28 pages, will be the well thought out and logical argument that gives a solid reason as to why l/h bias supports the influence of a creator and cannot be down to naturalistic causes. In other words - the post that should have been presented right as post 1 on this whole damn thread.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Brighton RC Baptism Numbers
by konceptual99 inso there was a peak attendance of around 8700 (as i recall - i was dozing...).
baptism numbers - 24. so around 0.27%.
it may be slightly up or down on that depending on the actual attendance.. the majority of baptism candidates were young people so very likely born-in..
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konceptual99
That's a good point Phizzy however don't forget that the circuit assemblies also have baptisms. I don't know any confirmed typical figures but I think 5-10 per section of 900-1000 would be a reasonable guestimate based on my recollection of our recent assemblies.
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2016-07-15 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN RUSSIA New law on missionary activity
by wifibandit in2016-07-15 to all bodies of elders in russia re: new law on missionary activity.
translation:.
to all bodies of elders in russia new law on missionary activity.
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konceptual99
The interesting thing is how even the instructions related to the cart work cast doubt on the WT stance.
This is from the KM 7/13...
6 Public Witnessing That Is Organized Locally: In addition to special metropolitan public witnessing, another new initiative is being organized by many bodies of elders in their local territory. With this initiative, publishers use a table or a mobile display at a busy location within the congregation’s territory boundary. This is different from special metropolitan public witnessing, which uses participants from many congregations to preach in the same high-traffic areas in cities chosen by the branch office.—See the box “Good Cooperation Needed.”
7. Where it is practical, how will the elders organize public witnessing locally?
7 The elders will consider whether the congregation’s territory has areas of high pedestrian traffic and determine if it would be practical to organize public witnessing. Possible locations for a table or mobile display include transportation hubs, public squares, parks, busy streets, shopping malls, college campuses, airports, and locations of annual events. There is an advantage in having a table set up in the same location, on the same days, and at the same times. It has been found that tables set up at shopping malls are more effective than those outside a single large store where individuals are usually focused on their reason for visiting that specific store. Some locations, such as busy sidewalks, may be more conducive to a smaller mobile literature display. Elders can download from our Web site special files for making displays of the Watchtower and Awake! magazines and the Bible Teach book. These files have been prepared specifically for use in this form of public witnessing. Those who participate will carry out the work in much the same way as those engaged in special metropolitan public witnessing and should follow the direction of the service overseer closely. If they obtain an address from an interested person who does not live in their territory, they should promptly fill out a Please Follow Up (S-43) form and give it to the secretary.Note how this is organised by the elders (i.e. the congregation). The next bit is also telling...
8. If there are no organized efforts in the congregation for public witnessing, what opportunities to preach publicly may still be available?
8 Public Witnessing in Your Personal Ministry: Some congregations may not have a location in their territory that has sufficient pedestrian traffic to justify setting up a table or making use of a mobile literature display. However, even in those congregations, publishers are encouraged to consider including public witnessing in their personal ministry. Is there a shopping area, a strip mall, or a busy store in your territory? Is there a park or a place where people gather? Are there public events that are periodically held in the territory? If so, you may still be able to enjoy public witnessing.Note how the personal ministry does not even include the carts and is not organised by the congregation.
Double speak at it's best.
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konceptual99
Yup Perry - it's a remarkable thing although to be fair the WT were quoting another secular source. The irony is that the quote casts doubt on the figures of the size of the Ark and no one picked it up. They did the same when they mentioned in the Insight Book that one of the oldest pyramids in Egypt dated from before the flood.
You don't need any of this discussion about the ark to debunk the biblical flood however. Geology, physics, ice cores, anthropology, archaeology will do a pretty good job of it for you as a start.
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Perry, does that reference really suggest there were columns of 40 oars with one oarsman on each oar?
Is not the account of the Tessarakonteres subject to a far amount of speculation and debate about how the hulls and oarsman could have been distributed? Even if you accept the dimensions it is more likely it was a catarmaran with multiple oarsman on three banks of oars.
It's also interesting that the WTS have published information that discredits the Ark. I suspect no one considered it when they put it together but check out the September 2013 Awake...
Zheng He’s Treasure Ships—How Large and How Many?
Historical records from the Ming dynasty say that Zheng He’s treasure ships were amazingly large—447 feet (136 m) long and 183 feet (56 m) wide. Scholars find these figures problematic and hard to verify, in that wooden sailing ships in excess of 300 feet (90 m) in length are structurally unsound.
“All indications are that exaggeration has been at work in the accounts that mention the ships’ enormous size,” says one article on the subject. “A ship of about 200-250 ft [60-75 m] would make much more sense than the 450 ft [135 m] one.” Whatever the case, in the 15th century, vessels measuring over 200 feet (60 m) in length were certainly exceptional, and Zheng He’s fleet included up to 62 of them!
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Alcoholic
by openheart inhi i was raised in the truth in the uk since my birth in 1970 i went wayward as my family left in 1981 when i was 11 never took a career just wasted my life away now i'm 46 i rejoined when i was 22 rose to be a auxiliary pioneer and ms then it all went wrong my wife diagnosed bipolar disorder i got diagnosed depression a mega implosion occurred now i'm lost what now ?.
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konceptual99
Sorry to hear of the troubles you have had but you have taken a big step by opening up.
There are people and organisations out there who can help. Perhaps start by going to your doctor and getting him to refer you to the best people able to help.
This page has some good links as well.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/alcohol/Pages/Alcoholsupport.aspx
All the best - don't stop talking about it.
