That's a good point Phizzy however don't forget that the circuit assemblies also have baptisms. I don't know any confirmed typical figures but I think 5-10 per section of 900-1000 would be a reasonable guestimate based on my recollection of our recent assemblies.
konceptual99
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Brighton RC Baptism Numbers
by konceptual99 inso there was a peak attendance of around 8700 (as i recall - i was dozing...).
baptism numbers - 24. so around 0.27%.
it may be slightly up or down on that depending on the actual attendance.. the majority of baptism candidates were young people so very likely born-in..
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2016-07-15 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN RUSSIA New law on missionary activity
by wifibandit in2016-07-15 to all bodies of elders in russia re: new law on missionary activity.
translation:.
to all bodies of elders in russia new law on missionary activity.
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konceptual99
The interesting thing is how even the instructions related to the cart work cast doubt on the WT stance.
This is from the KM 7/13...
6 Public Witnessing That Is Organized Locally: In addition to special metropolitan public witnessing, another new initiative is being organized by many bodies of elders in their local territory. With this initiative, publishers use a table or a mobile display at a busy location within the congregation’s territory boundary. This is different from special metropolitan public witnessing, which uses participants from many congregations to preach in the same high-traffic areas in cities chosen by the branch office.—See the box “Good Cooperation Needed.”
7. Where it is practical, how will the elders organize public witnessing locally?
7 The elders will consider whether the congregation’s territory has areas of high pedestrian traffic and determine if it would be practical to organize public witnessing. Possible locations for a table or mobile display include transportation hubs, public squares, parks, busy streets, shopping malls, college campuses, airports, and locations of annual events. There is an advantage in having a table set up in the same location, on the same days, and at the same times. It has been found that tables set up at shopping malls are more effective than those outside a single large store where individuals are usually focused on their reason for visiting that specific store. Some locations, such as busy sidewalks, may be more conducive to a smaller mobile literature display. Elders can download from our Web site special files for making displays of the Watchtower and Awake! magazines and the Bible Teach book. These files have been prepared specifically for use in this form of public witnessing. Those who participate will carry out the work in much the same way as those engaged in special metropolitan public witnessing and should follow the direction of the service overseer closely. If they obtain an address from an interested person who does not live in their territory, they should promptly fill out a Please Follow Up (S-43) form and give it to the secretary.Note how this is organised by the elders (i.e. the congregation). The next bit is also telling...
8. If there are no organized efforts in the congregation for public witnessing, what opportunities to preach publicly may still be available?
8 Public Witnessing in Your Personal Ministry: Some congregations may not have a location in their territory that has sufficient pedestrian traffic to justify setting up a table or making use of a mobile literature display. However, even in those congregations, publishers are encouraged to consider including public witnessing in their personal ministry. Is there a shopping area, a strip mall, or a busy store in your territory? Is there a park or a place where people gather? Are there public events that are periodically held in the territory? If so, you may still be able to enjoy public witnessing.Note how the personal ministry does not even include the carts and is not organised by the congregation.
Double speak at it's best.
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konceptual99
Yup Perry - it's a remarkable thing although to be fair the WT were quoting another secular source. The irony is that the quote casts doubt on the figures of the size of the Ark and no one picked it up. They did the same when they mentioned in the Insight Book that one of the oldest pyramids in Egypt dated from before the flood.
You don't need any of this discussion about the ark to debunk the biblical flood however. Geology, physics, ice cores, anthropology, archaeology will do a pretty good job of it for you as a start.
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Perry, does that reference really suggest there were columns of 40 oars with one oarsman on each oar?
Is not the account of the Tessarakonteres subject to a far amount of speculation and debate about how the hulls and oarsman could have been distributed? Even if you accept the dimensions it is more likely it was a catarmaran with multiple oarsman on three banks of oars.
It's also interesting that the WTS have published information that discredits the Ark. I suspect no one considered it when they put it together but check out the September 2013 Awake...
Zheng He’s Treasure Ships—How Large and How Many?
Historical records from the Ming dynasty say that Zheng He’s treasure ships were amazingly large—447 feet (136 m) long and 183 feet (56 m) wide. Scholars find these figures problematic and hard to verify, in that wooden sailing ships in excess of 300 feet (90 m) in length are structurally unsound.
“All indications are that exaggeration has been at work in the accounts that mention the ships’ enormous size,” says one article on the subject. “A ship of about 200-250 ft [60-75 m] would make much more sense than the 450 ft [135 m] one.” Whatever the case, in the 15th century, vessels measuring over 200 feet (60 m) in length were certainly exceptional, and Zheng He’s fleet included up to 62 of them!
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Alcoholic
by openheart inhi i was raised in the truth in the uk since my birth in 1970 i went wayward as my family left in 1981 when i was 11 never took a career just wasted my life away now i'm 46 i rejoined when i was 22 rose to be a auxiliary pioneer and ms then it all went wrong my wife diagnosed bipolar disorder i got diagnosed depression a mega implosion occurred now i'm lost what now ?.
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konceptual99
Sorry to hear of the troubles you have had but you have taken a big step by opening up.
There are people and organisations out there who can help. Perhaps start by going to your doctor and getting him to refer you to the best people able to help.
This page has some good links as well.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/alcohol/Pages/Alcoholsupport.aspx
All the best - don't stop talking about it.
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Brighton RC Baptism Numbers
by konceptual99 inso there was a peak attendance of around 8700 (as i recall - i was dozing...).
baptism numbers - 24. so around 0.27%.
it may be slightly up or down on that depending on the actual attendance.. the majority of baptism candidates were young people so very likely born-in..
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konceptual99
Well, the WTS coordinate press releases in the local press as well as providing the text for the Amex website.
You can read the text here:
http://www.eventsatbhafc.co.uk/whats-on/Jehovah-witness-convention.php
All of these press releases state 10,000 people were expected but the actual was no where near that.
The last speaker, Stephen Morris of the British Branch Committee made a big thing about two people that had turned up as a result of the invitations. This is all well and good until you consider that even if you said that 5000 of those in attendance had distributed 10 invitations each (a highly conservative estimate IMHO) that would be 50,000 invitations. Two attendees from 50,000 invites - a 0.004% return rate. What a joke.
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Brighton RC Baptism Numbers
by konceptual99 inso there was a peak attendance of around 8700 (as i recall - i was dozing...).
baptism numbers - 24. so around 0.27%.
it may be slightly up or down on that depending on the actual attendance.. the majority of baptism candidates were young people so very likely born-in..
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konceptual99
So there was a peak attendance of around 8700 (as I recall - I was dozing...)
Baptism numbers - 24
So around 0.27%. It may be slightly up or down on that depending on the actual attendance.
The majority of baptism candidates were young people so very likely born-in.
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All Day K.H. Maintenance Meeting !!!!
by Poztate inthe whole congregation was required to sign up for this all day program.what are they going to talk about for the full day.
maybe a one hour talk by an elder about "responsible toilet cleaning in this time of the end" with demos as how it can be accomplished.
only sisters seem to need to listen to that one.. maybe cutting grass to the proper height so we don't bring reproach on jehovah's name.
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konceptual99
The whole KH maintenance system has changed after the replacement of the RBC with LDC. In the past congregations were responsible for minor works (e.g. replacing broken tiles in the toilets, fixing the roof etc). Now these have been put into the responsibility of the LDC. The only thing the local congregation is responsible for is the cleaning and basic preventative maintenance.
These meetings are to explain to the local congregation what they can do to help keep the hall in tip-top condition and reduce the need to call in the LDC. It's the sort of thing they could easily talk about in 30 minutes instead of a normal public talk but they have to make some meal of going over and over and over contrived interpretations of biblical texts so they can relate them to petty nonsense about cleaning.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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konceptual99
and now it's not anymore...
Just cut'n'paste Kate....
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2016-07-15 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN RUSSIA New law on missionary activity
by wifibandit in2016-07-15 to all bodies of elders in russia re: new law on missionary activity.
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to all bodies of elders in russia new law on missionary activity.
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konceptual99
This is typical WT double speak where on a day to day basis full deference to the chain of command and organisational structure is required yet when the WTS is threatened legally then suddenly everything is the responsibility of the congregation member.
It's the same as the statements around "we don't shun", "anyone can leave", "we don't baptise children", "no one is DFed for refusing blood" and so on.
It's utter bollocks and I feel incredibly sorry for the individual Russian witnesses who will be putting their personal freedom on the line trying to fulfil a centrally pushed obligation to preach which is now being denied as such. I really hope this encourages them to ask serious questions of the organisation.
