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  Who are the "Inactive"?

  by thereishope in

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  this was my starting point in this journey of rediscovery, and i've made great strides, but here i am again asking the same question.

  all this talk re the rc and the shunning of the inactive ones.

  there is no announcement made obviously about "shun sister so-and-so, as she is inactive.

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  konceptual99

  You are spot on the money BB. I am sure there will be a minority of dubs who might start being harsher with some relatives/associates. I am also sure there will be some who will mistakenly think they need to shun all inactive ones. I get the feeling however that actually most will dream on through the talk, hardly notice it and the status quo will remain. It's far more of a trigger point for the exJW community than those inside.

  There will probably be a WT down the line repeating the counsel which will get more attention but I doubt that will be able to be interpreted any differently to the content of the talk.
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  konceptual99

  Centralising printing in a geographic region and/or outsourcing is still not giving up on print. They cannot fill the carts with nothing, they cannot expect to simply show everyone at the door a video, not everyone can or wants to use a tablet at the meeting for everything.

  It is inevitable that the volume of print material required has decreased significantly but it's still there. If what they are doing is true then it makes good sense and it's win win all around.

  There is no way the R&F will see it as any kind of indication that Jehoover is no longer blessing things but I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the GB heavies told the British branch committee they were losing all of this and being relegated to a second tier sorting office. That really would have wiped the smile off their smug, self obsessed faces...
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  Germany in charge of all treasury for Europe

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to our sources, germany bethel will take in charge all treasuries for all europe starting sept 1st.. each bethel will deliver the funds as a donation to german legal entity.. gold ages for ibsa and other entities in eu are over :).

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  Which also makes you wonder what the Chelmsford plans were about at all? Did they think it was all going to Germany from day one or was the construction put on hold whilst a plan about printing and outsourcing was formulated and actioned?

  Right now we only a little to go on. We have a letter and some rumour. I hope it's not too long before we get some concrete info one way or the other but it all makes sense and has the "ring of truth"...
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  Germany in charge of all treasury for Europe

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to our sources, germany bethel will take in charge all treasuries for all europe starting sept 1st.. each bethel will deliver the funds as a donation to german legal entity.. gold ages for ibsa and other entities in eu are over :).

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  konceptual99

  Interesting OC. I'd not noticed that from the accounts so it's a good catch.
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  konceptual99

  If this is true then it is quite funny as the printing presses have always been used by the Bethel tour guides as the billy big bollocks highlight of the tour, evidence of how amazing Jehovah's organisation is. Of course it is quite impressive, especially if you have never seen a large press before. Not so impressive when you consider every large printing organisation has such facilities, especially newspaper printers.

  If true then it would seem Jehovah's requirements are not so special that a worldly organisation cannot come in and take the whole printing and distribution operation over and do it not just for the local branch but for other previously significant branches as well.

  Also amazing is the fact that this would only be being done if it made financial sense. They must be at, or very close to, the point where the cost of running the presses (paid for up front), infrastructure (paid for up front) and labour (volunteer) are greater then the ability of the income to support it.
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  konceptual99

  So this will happen as soon as within the next four weeks? Do you expect this to feed out into JW land quickly/officially or will it not be mentioned?
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  konceptual99

  Really? Axel Springer AG to print and distribute the WT? What's the source for this? Can it be confirmed?
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  Introduction - Any Believers?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

  i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

  i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

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  konceptual99

  I checked out what the WT has said about voting. In the last article on the subject in 1999 it says (in part):

  A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.

  Surely the same principle applies to Christians regarding their endorsement of God and what he has done and will do.
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  Share your Haysbridge, Surrey assembly hall memories

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you ever go to the haysbridge assembly hall in surrey?.

  post your experiences.

  the assembly hall i believe used to be a reformed school for boys and was completely renovated and dedicated in 1985.. it was the only assembly hall i knew of that sold souvenir pens, book marks and notepads.. .

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  konceptual99

  I think Truthseeker still comes by sometimes so he might even see that his thread has been resurrected. I know the Bro. Ellis he is talking about. He recently got thrown off as an elder, after 40+ years, for saying a few words at the funeral of a non-witness friend when a pastor also said a few words. Interfaith apparently. Probably the one time he actually followed his heart, humanity and conscience.

  As for Haysbridge - it's still going but they have changed the carpets and seats to a horrible blue colour to try and stop people going to sleep. Doesn't work.
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  Jehovah protects his people. Did he ever protect you?

  by TimeBandit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello forum.

  i started this topic because i had been thinking recently about a story that i had heard many times in different congregations over the years.

  kind of a jw urban legend if you will.

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  konceptual99

  He's not protected the many I know, including young children, getting terminal cancer and having to endure pain and suffering before they finally pass away, mere shells and shadows of their former selves. Of course he is a bit busy making sure planning applications for new buildings in Chelmsford get approved and accomplishing the impossible task of organising a three day event in a football stadium.

  Bastard.