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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

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  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  The new understanding of the generation.

  I know the WT uses the "other sheep" and GC interchangeably to refer to Witnesses in the "Last Days" but strictly speaking the GC are simply those people who are survive through the big A.

  Redefining the generation redefines the whole thing. The quote reflects an old understanding of how the "generation" affected the understanding that the other sheep of 1914 would still be around to survive into the new order as the "great crowd".

  Pointing that out to any Witness will simply result in them walking around the boulder of cognitive dissonance.

  
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Witnesses would simply discard that quote as something that has been replaced by the light getting progressively brighter. They would say they were not wrong. They would say that is how Holy Spirit led the GB to interpret the scriptures then. They would say they it is now clear there is an overlapping generation, that it can only be a single overlap and that the end is imminent.

  They might claim that if the overlapping generation had been clear earlier then it would have meant the growth of the organisation would have been different so Jehovah allowed the older understanding to be presented. They will repeat they were not wrong and that what is now taught is not materially different and that context and time means both explanations were/are correct and not contradictory.

  They will be less ready with an answer when asked to explain why the older explanation could be explained from the Bible using scripture (albeit their interpretation) yet the new explanation cannot be explained with a single scripture? Why is it that the progressive revealing of meaning has resulted in something with less scriptural basis?
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  Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

  "does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

  ‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

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  Imagine being gay or not conforming to the norms inside some communities inside the UK or other Western countries.

  FGM still continues inside the UK.

  Forced marriage still continues inside the UK.

  Fear of witchcraft and superstition still motivates the abuse and worse of children in the UK.

  The Witnesses are not the only group in the UK that shun those who are deemed to have transgressed, some to even more extreme levels than most Witnesses.
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  900000 US$ donations from Brother Nelson (aka Prince)

  by sp74bb in

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  2. friends

  2005 - $20,000 for chanhassen jevovah witnes y st louis jehovah witness2006 - $130,000 for jehovah witness kingdom hall2007 - $800,000 for peccole ranch lakes kingdom hall fund.

  the amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his love 4 one another foundation..

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  Who's saying Prince was doing anything wrong as a Witness? His past behaviour has no bearing on the matter.

  He was clearly not run of the mill but there is no evidence to suggest that the local congregation was wilfully ignoring behaviour that would get anyone else up in front of a JC. He was never going to be given privileges in the congregation but that does not mean the congregation is hypocritical in having a memorial service.

  He seemingly attended enough meetings and shared his faith enough to be considered "in good standing". For goodness sake, I have not gone on the ministry in months, never answer, attend only 50% of the time, never fulfil any assignments let alone give any money - but I am still in good standing. I would be allowed a KH funeral if I died now.

  It's very rare to have an invite only event but given the profile of the man I am not surprised, not least to stop the JW sycophants from flocking to the thing.
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  New Article - Watchtower View of Homosexuality

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have thought about writing this article for many years, and the awake!

  2014 no.4 was the final straw.

  there it states that jehovah's witnesses show no prejudice towards homosexuals, and "they neither mock nor mistreat people whose practices differ from their own.

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  Great article!
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  Flying Scotsman Visits My Town

  by cofty in

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  the iconic steam engine the flying scotsman has been restored and is back on tour along the east coast main line between london and edinburgh.

  this evening it crossed the royal border bridge in berwick-on-tweed for the first time since it was put out of service in january 1963.. here are few shots.. .

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  Great shots. Wish I'd been there to see it!
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  Outstanding new book out today for you atheists, agnostics, humanists, naturalists and free thinkers

  by Cornbread in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got back from the bookstore and i can't wait to sink into it based on all the reviews and press it has been getting.

  it's called the big picture - on the origin of life, meaning, and the universe itself by sean carroll.. “weaving the threads of astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy into a seamless narrative tapestry, sean carroll enthralls us with what we’ve figured out in the universe and humbles us with what we don’t yet understand.

  yet in the end, it’s the meaning of it all that feeds your soul of curiosity.” —neil degrasse tyson, host of cosmos: a spacetime odyssey*publishers weekly #1 most anticipated science book of spring 2016*"already internationally acclaimed for his elegant, lucid writing on the most challenging notions in modern physics, sean carroll is emerging as one of the greatest humanist thinkers of his generation as he brings his extraordinary intellect to bear not only on higgs bosons and extra dimensions but now also on our deepest personal questions.

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  Damn....
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  RC 2016 Leaks & Releases

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an effort to reduce the number of posts, this year i will try to add links to this post.

  now, on with the leaks & releases!

  first up.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzvwhflss4.

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  The irony of the convention theme of loyalty against the video leak along with the entire convention outline in Spanish is priceless.

  Thanks Wifi and all those with access and a conscience.
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  Availability Crisis of Conscience.

  by Ben131895 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  most of us are desperately waiting for the availability of a legal crisis of conscience.

  deborah dykstra provided us with two updates.

  on december 12, 2015 there was a clear statement about the copyright which stopped all illegal activity in spreading electronic versions & prints.. finally, she promised a new update by or before may 6.. so far no new update.

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  As far as publishing to Kindle is concerned....

  https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A2VHRJZXET0TWT

  As far as short run hard copy printing is concerned, rightly or wrongly, Cedars showed how cheaply and quickly this could be achieved.

  Before anyone flames me down I support the distribution of the book in a structured way by parties with the rights to do so, The above are just a couple of points to indicate how quickly something could be done. Perhaps a little simplistic as I know the copyright owner wants to cover a number of bases both with print and electronic media and has had a lot of things to consider with copyright, ill health and so on, but there was a tremendous amount of goodwill here and elsewhere to supporting the copyright holder's aims and this is being eroded by lack of visible progress.

  In the meantime distribution of the book as a shared PDF is no doubt continuing unabated.
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  All or Nothing: The Slippery Slope of Watchtower Morality

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a common saying that “the crime should fit the punishment”.

  a minor violation should receive a minor correction; a major violation receives a major punishment.

  take the example of a kid who accidently spills soda on the carpet.

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  Stories like Moses not getting into the Promised Land for his one mistake, the fellow getting fried for trying to stop the Ark of the Covenant falling off the cart and bears eating groups of kids simply for being silly kids are used to justify draconian punishments when elders jump to knee jerk reactions when a little time, reasonableness and mercy would bring a far better long term situation.