Posts by konceptual99

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Another Galling Meeting!

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

yesterday's meeting was again, quite soporific.

however, i felt indignation when it came to paragraph 16 of the watchtower catechism.

it reads..."the remarkable growth that we see today is the result of our faith in god and full acceptance of the bible..."i won't deal with the first part of that sentence here, but the claim at the end - this is just an outright and most egregious lie!

konceptual99

Oops - yes per week.

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What I thought CLAM meant , can you think of anymore ?

by smiddy in

for a while there i was confused as to what clam stood for .. ideas that crossed my mind .

christ left a ministry , or meeting .

children`s lives are mine .....( pedo`s in the borg ).

konceptual99

Good one searcher. My fave so far!

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Another Galling Meeting!

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

yesterday's meeting was again, quite soporific.

however, i felt indignation when it came to paragraph 16 of the watchtower catechism.

it reads..."the remarkable growth that we see today is the result of our faith in god and full acceptance of the bible..."i won't deal with the first part of that sentence here, but the claim at the end - this is just an outright and most egregious lie!

konceptual99

I was tempted to put my hand up yesterday after one of the elders was crowing about 5300 being baptised each day and point out that 4600 are leaving as well with a net gain of just 18000 people last service year.

Growth indeed!

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

konceptual99

What Bible truth(s) do you wish a religion to be closer to?

If you want a religion to follow the practices of the ancient Israelites then take a look as ISIS. They are happy with stonings, beheading, genocide, a patriarchal society, intolerance and so on.

If you prefer the seeming ideals of Jesus then tolerance and inclusion seem to best expressed by those with less religious affiliation or commitment to doctrine.

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Gems From the WT

by Slidin Fast in

just noticed this gem of a definition in the current (no 1) wt.

"lying.

saying something false to someone who is entitled to know the truth.".

konceptual99

With the JW definition of lying then the next question is "who determines who is entitled to know the truth?". Of course, as per Terry's post, this is the prerogative of the individual. It is of course worse than that since it will ALWAYS be the organisation in the driving seat. So, when it suits the organisation to lie then they will and when they are investigating the actions of their adherents (e.g. in a JC) then they will state that the elders are entitled to know the truth therefore denying the individual the right to the same choices the organisation can make.

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Mind Games and Con Artists

by konceptual99 in

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i made a post on another thread but think it deserves a space of it's own.

the latest new scientist magazine has a great article on how and why people get taken in by con artists.. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2073748-mind-games-how-con-artists-get-the-better-of-you/.

there is a great section on the use of emotive stories to gain mental traction.

konceptual99

This is exactly the point.

It is an exercise in futility to try and blind the R&F with pseudo intellectual "scholarly" works any more and they know it. So much can be debunked. They are hanging onto 607 and 1914 by the fingertips at the moment but being hit not only by the amount of evidence for their dates being 20 years out but also the fact that bugger all has happened in 100 years.

The amount of info debunking large amount of WT doctrine (especially JWFacts) allows anyone who can their mind past the cultural firewall of anti-apostate rhetoric to fully examine the history of why JWs preach what they preach now and see it's a procession of failed prophesy.

The only way now is through emotion and making the R&F care less and less about doing any research at all. The more top down the meetings become, with spoon fed presentations and streamed talks from Command Central the less and less chance there is of R&F members even caring about doing any research.

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Can Katie Kitten get up to 100% UK coverage with our help?

by slimboyfat in

very good idea for activism in the uk.

they've already contacted over 60 congregations about not destroying evidence the government may require, which must be about 5% of congregations in the uk.

getting near to 100% shouldn't be out of reach.

konceptual99

Nope, not KK! I'm not female and nowhere near as funny. I just find her brand of activism very appealing and possibly the most underrated visible exJW out there. I wish she had the reach of some others out there.

I am off to get my pack to send to the elders at the congregation I attend as it's something that anyone, in or out, here in the UK can do if they want.

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Can Katie Kitten get up to 100% UK coverage with our help?

by slimboyfat in

very good idea for activism in the uk.

they've already contacted over 60 congregations about not destroying evidence the government may require, which must be about 5% of congregations in the uk.

getting near to 100% shouldn't be out of reach.

konceptual99

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5689196006080512/wts-checklist-elders-destroy-evidence

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5635606893821952/verify-audit-checklist-destruction-files

lots more, including the letter in these threads.

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Can Katie Kitten get up to 100% UK coverage with our help?

by slimboyfat in

very good idea for activism in the uk.

they've already contacted over 60 congregations about not destroying evidence the government may require, which must be about 5% of congregations in the uk.

getting near to 100% shouldn't be out of reach.

konceptual99

Cofty - I recall the letter was posted here but can't find it searching atm. I am sure WIFiBandit can point you in the right direction.

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Can Katie Kitten get up to 100% UK coverage with our help?

by slimboyfat in

very good idea for activism in the uk.

they've already contacted over 60 congregations about not destroying evidence the government may require, which must be about 5% of congregations in the uk.

getting near to 100% shouldn't be out of reach.

konceptual99

The letter is from the elders' area on jw.org and is leaked by awake elders still in. It is a letter that is sent every year.

As the videos make clear, the letter itself is old news, it's basically a housekeeping matter. Also, information related to child abuse cases is not included as there are specific instructions in keeping certain information related to these cases.

As case, after case after case has demonstrated however, elders do either mistakenly destroy information related to child abuse, destroy data because they think a case is not considered to be child abuse and other circumstances.

The letter from the UK Inquiry body is telling organisations not to destroy documents. The British Branch have not made elders aware of this. They have sent any instruction qualifying the general instruction. Either they don't know about it or are maintaining a position of plausible deniability. Should the matter come up in the Inquiry then they could claim that elders did not see the letter and their instructions did not cover data related to child abuse cases. In this circumstance an elder would be on his own.

Under UK charity law the trustees are responsible for the actions of the charity. Since each congregation is a charity and the elders are trustees then individual elders can be held accountable for wrong actions by the charity. To this end the British Bethel is acting highly irresponsibly by not informing elders of the letter and it's implications.

Unfortunately the implications of this shall be lost on the vast majority of elders which makes the whole exercise even more critical for the sake of any victims who may be affected by naivety of local elders and the duplicitous and callous attitude of the WT Legal Department.