Posts by konceptual99

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Are You A Thinker And A Lurker?

by konceptual99 in

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if you are a lurker then you are probably a thinker.

you will already be wondering about a number of aspects of jw doctrine and how they stack up against reason, logic and modern scientific evidence.

if so, then i appeal to you to meditate and reason on one implication arising from the latest news that the next publication will be a simplified version of an already simplified book.

konceptual99

Hi Kate,

Thanks for the feedback. I don't mean to come across as frustrated, as least not in the way I think you mean. I was just taking hold of an opportunity presented at the time of the leak of the AGM letter to make a direct appeal on the basis that once again the GB mark progress through yet further dumbing down of the "troof", safe in the knowledge that the masses will lap it up.

I am for the moment trapped in but I am so glad that I have worked things out and am now longer torn in the quandary of cognitive dissonance, trying to square the circle over and over again. I feel mentally free and was only able to start to feel that way once I stopped thinking that the circle could be squared and that I HAD to do so.

No one can wake someone else up. IHMO those that are questioning should be presented with as many of glaring inconsistencies, lies, deceptive reasonings and fallacies promulgated by the WTS leadership as possible. They need an overwhelming weight of evidence and reasoning in order to break the mental hold we have all experienced.

I accept my post is fairly direct but I don't think it is harsh. I really doubt that on it's own it will make a significant difference one way or the other but I do hope that it might present someone with another chink in the armour.

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Britain Branch Construction - UPDATE

by The Searcher in

definitely something going in the london bethel.. i thought i'd ask them again (and record it again) what the situation was regarding the new britain branch construction work.. i got the same sister (debbie) and here is how the conversation went: .

me: i've been told that construction of the new branch has been stopped - is this true?.

debbie: no, it has not ceased, it's carrying on as normal - can i ask where you're calling from?.

konceptual99

Carrying on as normal can mean several things. It may mean zero change. The work there is not as advanced as Warwick so it's possible that building plans are changing but ground works and preparatory works are still continuing. It may be a lie (theocratic warfare).

The truth will out soon.

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The Great Leap err Sideways

by Slidin Fast in

one of the most disturbing aspects of the recent cut backs is the big brother communist undemocratic aspect to it..

in china in the fifties untold millions died of starvation when on a whim the great leap forward made the economy do a u turn.

anyone who objected even slightly was in big deep trouble.

konceptual99

Aren't the WTS lucky that they don't have to follow the same HR policies that are enforced in law for commercial companies that downsize. No consultation. No severance pay. No discussion.

It's amazing that the WTS still has the balls to bang on about their policies and standards of practice being not just equal to secular requirements but going above and beyond.

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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

by wifibandit in

http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

obey.

konceptual99

I've just listened to this broadcast. I don't normally bother but recent events and some comments sparked my curiosity.

Right from the start this is clearly lining up the expectation about response to the news of lay-offs.

He points out that the disciples were to be "focused on prayer and the ministry".

He talks about "decisions being made" by the 1st C "GB" and then blessings coming. He talks about those obeying the decrees being blessed and there being an increase.

He talks about not having a dogmatic approach (!) and why they do not translate the word "dogmata" as dogma but as "decrees".

There is nothing to this broadcast but lining up the Bethel family and the wider audience to accept the "decrees" and do nothing but obey.

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World Wide Construction comes to a Shuddering Halt - Jehovah's Blessing has Evidently been Suspended!

by Slidin Fast in

the chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.

the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.

my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.

konceptual99

Good point Steve. Perhaps the powers that be have realised that the actual conversion rate of the trollies is so small they have no way of growing a new subscriber base from it.

The more I think about the implications of losing charity status I wonder if there is something in this behind some of the behaviour. Maybe not a key driver but perhaps someone has done a risk assessment on the implications.

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Results of the UK Cash Grab are in. The Accounts are Published. The Profit is Big.

by Slidin Fast in

the charities commission website in the uk by law shows the accounts of all uk registered charites.

this link is to the watch tower bible and tract society of great britain..

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/charitywithpartb.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1077961&subsidiarynumber=0.

konceptual99

I think in principle the rough figures presented are sound. So they got a net three months operating costs in a grab back (approx) and then some kind of rolling income for ever more from donations. Up front investment and operating costs on Temple Farm must be pretty large. Looking at the amount they send overseas it does not actually look like they have a load of cash to spend on TF and they cannot realise the assets in Mill Hill as they need them.

What better plan than to chuck 50% of the family out now and sell the properties early to keep the build rolling.

If the same is true in the US then the cash may really and truly not be there to splash. Don't forget as well that there is a big development in SA as well and they cannot support the build locally, they need outside financial help.

As slidin' says, it needs much more of an expert eye.

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Results of the UK Cash Grab are in. The Accounts are Published. The Profit is Big.

by Slidin Fast in

the charities commission website in the uk by law shows the accounts of all uk registered charites.

this link is to the watch tower bible and tract society of great britain..

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/charitywithpartb.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1077961&subsidiarynumber=0.

konceptual99

I *think* (but may be wrong) that the auditors are a JW owned company. They made almost 12k out of auditing the accounts.

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Reasons for leak and building stop story

by Gorbatchov in

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i have some feeling about the am2015 leak and the recent building stop story going arround.. it wouldn't surprise me that the information is a calculated leak.. - jw's are informal informed about the changes and adopt them informal.. - the building stop influences the concience of jw's for donating more money.. at the other hand, maybe there has occured a financial disaster for example they invested bilions in volkswagen.. gorby.

konceptual99

If the WBTS lost its charitable status globally that would definitely be its death knell. Now if only the authorities could be made to see that they have nothing to do with charity.

Not if the society pre-empted it. What if the WTS can see the writing on the wall and has calculated it's better paying taxes, staying under the radar but doing a massive downscale?

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the only thing that puzzles me

by pepperheart in

the only thing that puzzles me is if work has stopped at london bethel why because i can under stand that that they are short of money but if they sell the old bethel off then they will get millions

konceptual99

Reading between the line they need to redo plans to downscale. The re-submission of plans takes time so the work is merely being delayed until they can move forward again.

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Calm Down Everybody, We Will Know Soon Enough

by OnTheWayOut in

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seriously, they will change the midweek meeting ever so slightly.

it is just repackaging of the same old stuff.seriously, we don't know if construction is halted for days, weeks, months, forever, or what.. we don't know if new kingdom halls will still go up, old kingdom halls will be closed and sold.

they have laid off bethelites before and they will lay them off some more.

konceptual99

I agree with the point on rampant speculation. I also agree that to a certain extent the meeting change is just repackaging the same old junk but there is something different about this. The meeting change has obviously been in the pipeline for ages. Construction changes - I think that's far more recent.

Although building will ultimately continue, the rapid change on construction priorities seems far more knee jerk than any other WTS decision I have ever known. They have been pushing the construction projects for ages, promoting them via JWB and making a massive noise about the LDC and new halls.

Having to change building plans is something you do when the money is going to run out. Somebody in bethel has realised the spend on the projects is too much. Someone has worked out that they can lower long term costs by not running a hotel.

I have never seen anything that is so close to a u-turn being done by the WTS. I really don't think they have calculated the impact on the rank and file as I am sure they do on every other change. I think they are taking a calculated risk that any issues arising can be managed by peer based thought control but they may just have taken a step too far.