Posts by konceptual99

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Results of the UK Cash Grab are in. The Accounts are Published. The Profit is Big.

by Slidin Fast in

the charities commission website in the uk by law shows the accounts of all uk registered charites.

this link is to the watch tower bible and tract society of great britain..

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/charitywithpartb.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1077961&subsidiarynumber=0.

konceptual99

I think in principle the rough figures presented are sound. So they got a net three months operating costs in a grab back (approx) and then some kind of rolling income for ever more from donations. Up front investment and operating costs on Temple Farm must be pretty large. Looking at the amount they send overseas it does not actually look like they have a load of cash to spend on TF and they cannot realise the assets in Mill Hill as they need them.

What better plan than to chuck 50% of the family out now and sell the properties early to keep the build rolling.

If the same is true in the US then the cash may really and truly not be there to splash. Don't forget as well that there is a big development in SA as well and they cannot support the build locally, they need outside financial help.

As slidin' says, it needs much more of an expert eye.

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Results of the UK Cash Grab are in. The Accounts are Published. The Profit is Big.

by Slidin Fast in

the charities commission website in the uk by law shows the accounts of all uk registered charites.

this link is to the watch tower bible and tract society of great britain..

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/charitywithpartb.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1077961&subsidiarynumber=0.

konceptual99

I *think* (but may be wrong) that the auditors are a JW owned company. They made almost 12k out of auditing the accounts.

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Reasons for leak and building stop story

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

i have some feeling about the am2015 leak and the recent building stop story going arround.. it wouldn't surprise me that the information is a calculated leak.. - jw's are informal informed about the changes and adopt them informal.. - the building stop influences the concience of jw's for donating more money.. at the other hand, maybe there has occured a financial disaster for example they invested bilions in volkswagen.. gorby.

konceptual99

If the WBTS lost its charitable status globally that would definitely be its death knell. Now if only the authorities could be made to see that they have nothing to do with charity.

Not if the society pre-empted it. What if the WTS can see the writing on the wall and has calculated it's better paying taxes, staying under the radar but doing a massive downscale?

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the only thing that puzzles me

by pepperheart in

the only thing that puzzles me is if work has stopped at london bethel why because i can under stand that that they are short of money but if they sell the old bethel off then they will get millions

konceptual99

Reading between the line they need to redo plans to downscale. The re-submission of plans takes time so the work is merely being delayed until they can move forward again.

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Calm Down Everybody, We Will Know Soon Enough

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

seriously, they will change the midweek meeting ever so slightly.

it is just repackaging of the same old stuff.seriously, we don't know if construction is halted for days, weeks, months, forever, or what.. we don't know if new kingdom halls will still go up, old kingdom halls will be closed and sold.

they have laid off bethelites before and they will lay them off some more.

konceptual99

I agree with the point on rampant speculation. I also agree that to a certain extent the meeting change is just repackaging the same old junk but there is something different about this. The meeting change has obviously been in the pipeline for ages. Construction changes - I think that's far more recent.

Although building will ultimately continue, the rapid change on construction priorities seems far more knee jerk than any other WTS decision I have ever known. They have been pushing the construction projects for ages, promoting them via JWB and making a massive noise about the LDC and new halls.

Having to change building plans is something you do when the money is going to run out. Somebody in bethel has realised the spend on the projects is too much. Someone has worked out that they can lower long term costs by not running a hotel.

I have never seen anything that is so close to a u-turn being done by the WTS. I really don't think they have calculated the impact on the rank and file as I am sure they do on every other change. I think they are taking a calculated risk that any issues arising can be managed by peer based thought control but they may just have taken a step too far.

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E-Mail, Just recived. About Bethell adjustments.

by DwainBowman in

i just read an email from a friend, and she shared some very interesting emails from her friends about information on changes now happening at the bethels around the world.

here is the email: .

---------------------------------thanks sally, jesus is directing the org and all decisions and instructions to us may not seem practical from now on, neither will we understand the reasonings behind many of the changes that the organization makes.

konceptual99

FYI, all these comments in the email,are straight off jwtalk. It pretty much hearsay and rumour as for the most part they are hearing the news second hand. The good news is that it feeds the jw rumour mill and gets people talking openly about things.

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Any thoughts on the real reasons for droppng the 'school"

by sparrowdown in

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friends

my thoughts are.

1. they want to avoid being made to comply with any laws that come with anything classed as a "school" especially a school with children enrolled.. 2. the mid-week meeting has been dying in the ass for years and needs a revival.

i predict happy -clappy-sing-a-longs to be included in the program.. anyone else have any thoughts ??

konceptual99

I echo all the comments in noshows, reliance on men, burden of preparation. They are are making the pill easier to swallow and, most concerning, more appealing to kids and parents through videos and a workbook. My worry is this will make the meeting seem more interesting for kids and get them hooked earlier.

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I just called Brooklyn Bethel about construction shut down

by Watchtower-Free in

i just called brooklyn bethel service dept.

they said they had not heard anything about a worldwide shut down of construction.

i asked if he had heard about london bethel shutting down construction.. he said no that it was a surprise to him.

konceptual99

In my experience of Bethel the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

I would simply wait for reports to come in from the field - i.e. from those actually working on the project or with close ties to it.

I would also expect that the news was a shock to most of the Bethel families and they probably have not had a proper briefing on what to say to callers or on the status of specific projects. In true WT fashion I can imagine they did not imagine news would filter out to the point where concerned Witnesses would be calling in to find out the details.

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Just 10 more days. How are they going to spin the news on Oct 3 annual meeting?

by John Aquila in

so they asked all the kingdom halls for all the money in their savings account and then make them give a monthly payment for the rest of their life.

the reason for this was because the in-gathering is so great, that they need to build, build, build!.

now the massive building will stop..

konceptual99

Like it jwleaks. I will be using that one...

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

konceptual99

I'm so curious, anyone with a profile, what is being said on jw talk?!

Interesting. There is quite a lot of "this makes sense, the end is near" suck it up and get giddy nonsense.

There has been some comment about funds running out, even counting the cost references, but this has been quickly countered with corporate support.

It has definitely caused some questioning of fiscal responsibility but that questioning is not going down well.

It will be interesting to see what happens as this becomes common knowledge in the R&F as by that time the AGM announcement will be happening. Maybe that will overwhelm people's questioning but on the other hand there has been so much change people are starting to get a bit jittery.