Posts by konceptual99

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

konceptual99

Yes, the Witnesses are in a public place. Yes, the guy has a right to film. I would agree he was not confrontational in his manner of questioning. I do think however that many people would feel some apprehension about being filmed in this way. I am not surprised that the reaction is that there must be an agenda to why they are being filmed. I am therefore not surprised at all that the response was to move on. Witnesses are constantly told not to engage with those whose purpose is to criticise and very few are really capable of handing direct questioning and reasoning even when it is done in a calm manner. I would be interested know how much more time he could have spent talking with the Witnesses with no camera.

The persecution complex is strong in this one....

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Remember Those in Full-Time Service (1945 - 2015)

by jwleaks in

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the saddest story ever told.

despite being childhood sweethearts, in the year 1941 they decided to postpone marriage and remain single and childless in this system so as to put the the theocracy first, albeit under the control of the watch tower society.. in the final pages of the children book john and eunice walk silently through the fields and stop by a great tree on the river bank where they had sometime before discussed their future plans.

the young lovers seat themselves down and look over the landscape.

konceptual99

I am not sure that many single sisters have done so deliberately for the WT. There is such a low ratio of men to women that many have simply been unable to find a partner. Singleness for the sake of the WT is simply the net result of not enough blokes to go round.

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Watchtower Accused of Intellectual Dishonesty

by wannaexit in

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friends

watchtower never learns.. i applaud dr. singh for speaking out and his open letter to watchtower.

http://jwalumni.org/2015/01/17/rama-singh-awake/.

konceptual99

Oh and scholar, have you made it clear to your friends on jwtalk in the thread on this subject that you are also discussing this subject here with apostates?

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Watchtower Accused of Intellectual Dishonesty

by wannaexit in

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friends

watchtower never learns.. i applaud dr. singh for speaking out and his open letter to watchtower.

http://jwalumni.org/2015/01/17/rama-singh-awake/.

konceptual99

Scholar JW...

The question is not if the quote is wrong but what impression the casual reader would be left with. Most readers with a bias towards creation would imply that the quote is saying that many scientists question evolution and are prepared to accept some form of intelligent design. Anyone reading the conext of the original material can see this is not the case.

The way the quote is presented and it's lack of context has been done so deliberately by the society to create the impression of support for creation. It is dishonest and the author has every right to question it's use.

The WTS and Witnesses in general are very quick to defend the organisation when they see the position of the society supposedly misrepresented and aspects of the religion taken out of context. They do not afford the same courtesy to those whom they quote in matters such as this.

i would also add that they are also happy to spin their own doctrine. Just look at the way the question of shunning is handled on jw.org for an example.

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Blondie's Comments on the 1-18-2015 WT Study (HOLY)

by blondie in

november 15, 2014 wt study issue.

january 18, 2015 to be studied.

opening comments.

konceptual99

I note that they completely ignored the bit in the passage of scripture about Aaron's sons that said the rest of the people would mourn for them. The edict was just for Aaron, presumably because of his status as a priest.

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Victim tells of sexual abuse ordeal at hands of stepfather

by WildeLover in

a disgusting case in the ukman who was sexually abused by his stepfather when he was a boy has told how the ordeal had long- lasting effects.. nick french, 42, was tormented by gary moscrop, inset below, as a boy growing up in brighton, including sexual abuse and psychological cruelty.

last wednesday, his abuser was finally convicted of the historical offences after mr french stood up in front of a jury to recount the abuse, which happened in brighton and sussex between 1979 and 1985. bravely waiving his anonymity to speak to the argus, mr french, who now lives in cumbernauld, glasgow, said: it me a long time to work out that i had not done anything wrong myself and nothing i had done warranted that behaviour towards me.. i have had great assistance from the doctors and, since going back to the police a couple of years ago, it has been a huge weight off my shoulders putting everything down and saying this happened.. moscrop, 76, of hendon street, brighton, was jailed last thursday for ten years after being convicted of ten offences against mr french, including indecent assault, gross indecency with a child, buggery and child cruelty.. mr french first spoke up about a small portion of the abuse in 1987 when he was 15, leading to moscrop being cautioned.

he was finally prosecuted after mr french revealed the full scale of the abuse in 2012, when he could no longer repress it after having children of his own.

konceptual99

Wow. I have not come across these names in my time in the area but I might do some digging to see if anyone I know has more detail on this. Anyone else in Sussex know/knew these people?

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CANDACE CONTI - MIXED EMOTIONS

by The Searcher in

whatever the outcome of the appeal, i fear that most of us are going to be very disappointed.. a) obviously if the org wins.. b) if the org loses, they will put their plan 'b' into action - damage limitation - which will iinvolve confidentiality agreements being signed by pending/future victims, thereby settling the majority of cases out of court, and winning in several ways;.

there are probably other benefits, but these are the principal ones, and for these reasons i reckon the floodgates will never be allowed to be opened!!!

they've seen how other establishments have responded to their pedophile cases, and have picked up some good tips on how to minimise the effects.

konceptual99

The WTS have already moved. They have put procedures into place that manage to ensure that Legal drives the handling of cases whilst distancing elders from appearing to be in an organisationally driven hierarchy. They have made it clear individuals can go to the authorities. Chaff of course, but enough to make it even harder to pin responsibility on the WTS.

i think we will be lucky to see anything else on the scale of Conti again. The only way this will ever be a true scandal that could rock the org is is it was clear the org systematically covered things up. The chance of that coming out is minuscule.

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New BOE letter: Re: Survey on Use of Printed Publications

by pixel in

to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: survey on use of printed publications .

dear brothers: .

the branch office is working on arrangements for the 2015 regional conventions.

konceptual99

@jwdaughter. They are talking about all the releases not just the printed programme.

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2015 Convention locations - US & CA

by wifibandit in

full set: http://imgur.com/a/czt56.

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konceptual99

As predicted on this forum they are moving to assembly halls. Exactly why the 2 & 1 day CA/SAD events have gone down to 2x1 day events. Make more room. Get more donations in at venues already paid for.

This trend will only increase. Reports are that other countries are also doing regional conventions in JW venues.

EDIT - link added. Check my post at the bottom (can we link direct to a post?)

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279285/upcoming-regional-conventions-gb-talks-gb-helper-talks?page=1

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2014 Watchtower Publisher Statistics

by jwfacts in

the 2014 grand totals page has been released onto facebook.. .

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i have started updating the statistics and graphs at jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php, and will release highlights as i work through it during the rest of the day..

konceptual99

@nugget. Just to clarify that the family head has always been able to count a study and an hour a week for family study, even before the family worship move. They do push it more now but it always was there.

@jwfacts. I love this breakdown. The org loves their headline figures and it's all about hours now simply because all the others show poorer ratios than in previous years. The push to use carts will drive hours up but drive the ratios down even further. The WTS just bank on no one doing the maths. Thanks for having the figures so visible.

@brokeback I have never seen anything that suggests the WTS has a higher proportion of pedos than anywhere else in society. I don't think your suggestion of 1 per 3 or 4 congs is unreasonable but would hesitate to conclude that there is active abuse to that level. As Simon has recently pointed out constant exaggeration of the scale of abuse with no evidence does little to promote the real issue which is how WTS procedures give room for abuse, where it happens, to continue unchecked and to potentially expose children to perpetrators without any real safeguards. I get the hyperbole but I am fully with Simon on the value of this type of repetitive message.