Posts by konceptual99

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

For a nation of 8 million residents a half a dozen nursing homes don't care for the old sheep.

That's because they are not cheap even though it's a charitable NFP organisation. Many older Witnesses simply don't have the funds to pay for the care so end up relying on social care provided by the state.

Also, even though they do claim to support conditions like dementia the overall provision is care and not nursing. This means that residents must be able to perform certain activities themselves however many older people have requirements that go beyond care and need support from trained nursing professionals. Thanks to the WTS discouraging the education nursing professionals now need there is little hope that the pioneer they give a job to has any professional qualifications at all and is just good for doling out lunch and dinner.

The cynic in me also suspects that the poor support given to the care sector now from the public purse means care homes are no longer the cash cow they once were, especially given that the prospective customer base is not the most cash rich group around therefore large expansion of the group of homes is simply not cost effective.

Also, the care home sector here is propped up by labour from abroad, especially eastern Europe and S.E. Asia. The use of JWs only limits the labour base that can be drawn from, further complicating the business model.

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What is the watchtower going to do when

by pepperheart in

what is the watchtower going to do when the money runs out ??

?.

konceptual99

The WTS will outlive me even if I lived until 2080.

They may have less and less over time but there are plenty enough people and assets to keep them going a good, long while.

I don't even see the continued absence of Armageddon stopping them. They will find a way of explaining it away and human psychology will keep people bound to them.

The only hope is that more people will be brave enough to explore their doubts. There might be a critical mass of scandal around child abuse but even then the organisation has enough of a hold to keep people bound to them for years.

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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?

by Ray Frankz in

i just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.

as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.

this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".

konceptual99

My bet is that they will steer clear of trying to interpret more and more prophecy. They've been burnt so many times and enough people are happy with doing carts, going happy clappy and watching JW Boredcasting....

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Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Are Typically Ignorant People?

by minimus in

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i think most witnesses are simple minded.many are ignorant.

there are a lot of basically "good people "in the religion but i believe many are kind of dumb, including many elders.

do you agree with my thoughts??

konceptual99

There are Witnesses with all levels of intellectual capability. Some are genuinely thick but most aren't even if they are not highly educated or even academic.

Plenty of Witnesses have well paid, white collar jobs that are far from menial roles. Plenty have good businesses. I have know plenty enough who read lots, are interested in the arts and culture, have a reasonable knowledge the sciences and so on.

What most mentally in Witnesses lack however is the willingness to question and investigate beyond the boundaries set by the WTS. For some this is an intellectual challenge for others it's the application of cognitive dissonance.

For example, a Witness may have an interest in the sciences and the intellectual capability to understand some complex aspects of physics, chemistry and biology yet simply discards all the material that presents a worldview contrary to the simplistic world of the Bible. They are conditioned to replace nagging questions with an approach of "leaving it to Jehovah". What's worse is some go further and employ pseudo intellectual nonsense to make it seem like they employed critical thinking skills and are not simply dismissing things without serious thought.

This can be considered "wilful ignorance" but for most it's simply cult conditioning that they really don't question. Like an addicted alcoholic they don't realise they have a problem and it's only when they wake up to that fact that they then make the choice to remain wilfully ignorant or seek to change their behaviour when confronted with information contrary to their JW viewpoint.

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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo

by darkspilver in

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daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.

family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.

set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.

konceptual99

Didn't realise that Dan Kokotajlo was raised a Witness. That should help with the authenticity of the film.

It's a very interesting subject but a shame that 99% of Witnesses will either never hear of it or not be prepared to see it as they would view it as apostate lies. Therein lies the irony...

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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo

by darkspilver in

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friends

daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.

family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.

set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.

konceptual99

WOW! This should be a quality film. It's got an experienced cast and a proven director. Siobhan Finneran, especially, is an excellent actress and has played many tough roles.

I hope the research is good and that there are not too many holes for the faithful to pick at as this could be a really powerful exposé of the reality of disfellowshipping and the internal dilemmas that the practice enforces on people.

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2018 Circuit Assemblies Talk Outlines

by wifibandit in

http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/2018-circuit-assemblies/.

konceptual99

Thanks for that Wifi. Typical bore-fest.

I did note one thing in one of the talks (can't recall which one now) in a demo where someone talks about making a response to some "lies" on a blog. The other person in the demo tells them to ignore it and not respond to the "lies" once again reinforcing the line that anything critical is (a) untrue and (b) is not even worthy of any investigation.

So much for being able to exercise personal choice and critical thinking.

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Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

by Isambard Crater in

that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

konceptual99

If this rumor about the high return of DF'd ones is true...

100% sure it's not. 300 DFed people returning to a convention. No way. 300 DFed people would be 3 or 4 per congregation attending. Not. A. Chance.

This is at best 300 (and it might not even be that high) people who didn't bring badges for one reason or another getting told to report to the attendants office and get one. The majority of them would have been dubs who didn't get one, unbelieving mates, studies, inactive ones and so on. Some would have been Dfed for sure but a small minority.

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Relaxed rules toward oral sex?

by Socrateswannabe in

these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.

it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.

(song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.

konceptual99

Note the qualifying use of the term "natural". Whilst this paragraph does leave far more scope for interpretation it could still be twisted to say whatever someone wanted it to say.

Having said that, I do think that there is far less appetite within the org for elders to needlessly pry into private affairs between two married people.

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JW match.com. Any good?

by UnshackleTheChains in

hi all.. no i'm not about to join 😉.

the mrs would never forgive me lol.

but out of curiosity, does anyone know of any individuals who have successfully met someone this way?.

konceptual99

Yes - I know of a handful of current long term relationships and a couple of marriages.