Four threads with the same OP. Are you a troll?
konceptual99
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Millionaire Witnesses WTF lol?!
by Alostpuppydog inso i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.
it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?
i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.
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Millionaire Witnesses vs Apostle Matthew, John the Baptist, Jesus, etc.
by Alostpuppydog inso i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.
it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?
i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.
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konceptual99
Just wondering why you have started this thread not just twice but three times now?
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Millionaire JW Elder hypocrite?!
by Alostpuppydog inso i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.
it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?
i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.
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konceptual99
Yup puppy - there are more people than you might think out there who have escaped the chains of the organisation.
Don't get me wrong, I am not accusing you of being motivated by jealousy. There sure as hell are plenty of In hypocritical wealthy elders out there. The truth is, however, that when you consider the personality of the person then most of them would be hypocrites regardless. They might sneer at others but I bet they found a way of sneering at people before they were wealthy.
Sure, someone's wealth may amplify their opportunity to behave like a twat but few genuinely nice people turn into utter twats, most twats have always been like it.
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Millionaire JW Elder hypocrite?!
by Alostpuppydog inso i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.
it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?
i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.
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konceptual99
So are you saying is it hypocritical for a Witness to be wealthy?
The whole "keeping your eye simple" thing is actually about what you as a Witness are seen to be doing. This is especially true if you are male and could be used within the congregation.
So... if you are educated, wealthy, run a business, live in a big house or whatever then it's all about how much you ministry you do, how your "spirituality" is perceived, what you do to be a proactive and reliable appointed man, how your wife and kids are perceived (note that perception and reality often differ), how useful you and/or business is to WTS goals, how well your face fits with the BoE, how wealthy the area and congregation you are in is and so on. The more boxes you tick the less attention is paid to your wealth.
On the other hand, if you are wealthy and couldn't care less about the meetings, ministry and so on then immediately it is your wealth that becomes equated with materialism and used as a stick to beat your perceived lack of spirituality with.
I agree that it's not uncommon for those with less wealth to look at those with it and find fault. Sometimes it's well deserved, other times I think it is simple jealousy. A so called "simple eye" and lack of materialism are not limited to those without wealth, it crosses all segments of society. Hypocrisy amongst prominent elders is also not restricted to the more wealthy ones.
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konceptual99
Hell yeah!
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Millionaire JW Elder hypocrite?!
by Alostpuppydog inso i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.
it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?
i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.
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konceptual99
In my experience much of the negative comments about those with wealth in the organisation are driven by jealousy. This applies to comments coming from both inside and outside of the organisation.
The WTS has never condemned wealth in itself or required a life of privation. Of course they are down on education, materialism and the pursuit of success in business or even a vocation but this is in the context of this being at the expense of spending time in WTS activities. If one can balance these together then the WTS loves them - we all know the prominent elders with wealth.
I have a relative who falls into this category and he has repeatedly entertained CO/DOs on his yacht, taken them flying, had them to stay at his high end property and indulged them in many other ways. Is he a hypocrite? Not overly. He spends most of his time, as it's pretty much spare, in WTS related activities. One of his kids has been in Bethel service for years and another has been a pioneer for years as well. He has his bad points but no one is perfect.
There are those who have skeletons in the closet, those who get passes on their kids' bad behaviour due to their position, those who upset others in business and so on. I have to say however I think this applies to many, it's not just rich elders who get to play the system - there are plenty of less wealthy elders who lord it over others and get to sweep things under the carpet.
As I say, I think many comments are simply down to the little green monster.
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Is this another Trump backflip?
by fulltimestudent inwe've seen one backflip.
crooked hillary became a hard-working woman who deserves the nations praise (in his victory speech);.
now according to a uk newspaper:.
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konceptual99
The real test comes when Putin decides to take a bit more of Ukraine, bomb a little more of Syria, put even more forces on the border with the Baltic states.
Trade protectionism, domestic policies on immigration, even less positive involvement with climate change management are all things that I think the rest of the world will cope with however the foreign policy decisions are where we shall really see if Trump is that interested in serving his nation and the rest of the world or if he simply wanted to win the race and flick Obama the bird as payback for ripping into him over the birth certificate nonsense all those years ago.
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Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?
by Crazyguy inso there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
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konceptual99
Yes Master_Bob - you are right - the WT does not teach that the universe, including the Earth, was created as part of the creative days. My post did not mean to intimate that but on re-reading it through I can see that it does. To be fair, they also do mention that the age of the earth could be billions of years old in the Insight book.
Regardless, my point was that the WT uses very vague language to describe the length of the creative days which allows for a wide range of opinions which can easily lead to conflict with the scientific consensus. They can present a public persona of "the Bible and ourselves do not contradict science" whilst allowing individual members to hold completely nonsensical views.
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The overlapping generation doctrine - The epitome of stupidity?
by evilApostate infor years watchtower has taught that some of the people (anointed) who saw the events of 1914 will be alive to see the end of this system of things.
102 years later and the end is nowhere in sight; another failed prophecy.. to remedy the situation they have concocted some 'new light' in the form of the overlapping generation doctrine.
this new doctrine essentially states that the generation of 1914 consists of two groups of anointed whose lives overlap.
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konceptual99
Everyone knows what a generation is except the GB.
Everyone knows what an apostate is except the GB
Everyone knows what a lie is except the GB
Everyone knows what creationism is except the GB
I am sure there must be many other words that the GB have their own definition for...
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Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?
by Crazyguy inso there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
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konceptual99
It's true they are not dogmatic about the 7000 years anymore. It's true they refer to the periods in indeterminate terms. It's true they don't think the creative days were 7000 years long.
What you will not find in WT literature however is any rejection of short timescales for the age of the earth. You will not find any outright acceptance of the scientific concensus.
I would agree that few younger witnesses would think in terms of or perhaps even know about a creative day of 7000 years but if that's what an individual witness wishes to believe, as some old timers still do, then there is nothing in current WT literature to say they need to change their view.
It's typical WT obfuscation about the acceptance of scientific fact and concensus - keep it ambiguous, keep it from promoting confidence in science but avoid outright conflict with science so the sound bites for the public can be kept sweet....