Posts by konceptual99

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To all JDub lurkers: How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

by macys in

this is a damn serious question.

you must know by now that jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 bce and that 607 was initially picked by ct russell by using his "pyramid scheme" measurements.

there is no hiding these facts yet you continue to preach this nonsense.

konceptual99

What are we talking here? Someone that does not believe it anymore but does not change their behaviour at all? Someone that is fading but been doing it for perhaps years? I seem to have missed the rulebook about what makes an acceptable apostate. How many fade points do I need to be counted as having met the mark?

I have no problem with questioning a fade and perhaps changing tactics or strategy. I agree with the principle that trying to straddle a fence for a long period of time is probably not the most healthy approach.

What I can't forget however, is that this is a HIGH CONTROL group. The high stakes associated with leaving will affect how people do it. Some may never escape. Of course the more you know the harder it is to accept "privileges", go on the ministry, openly gush about the latest broadcast, play a part on the school, answer up and so on. I couldn't do all of those things but equally making a bold stand as a rebel is not the only other choice.

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To all JDub lurkers: How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

by macys in

this is a damn serious question.

you must know by now that jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 bce and that 607 was initially picked by ct russell by using his "pyramid scheme" measurements.

there is no hiding these facts yet you continue to preach this nonsense.

konceptual99

Anytime you set foot in a KH and attend meetings and are counted while being seated you are in effect preaching this BS by your actions; you are in effect showing others around you that you endorse this bullshit weather you are going to keep ties with friends and family or not.

No you are not. The only people that care if you are at the meetings or not are Witnesses. It's perfectly possible to be disengaged from the meeting and refuse to participate. People do things for the sake of others all the time and it's simply not possible for all to simply stop going regardless of the consequences.

Participating in field service is a different matter in as much as the point is to engage with the public. I had got my participation down to all but zero, simply sitting in the car once a month whilst my wife posts some mags through old route calls. I've just had a difficult conversation with my wife about that after pushing to the next level of not going at all.

The path from being a Witness to an ex-Witness is not some moral crusade where an individual is obligated to shout their disagreement from the rooftops. Some people may never be able to get to a point of open rebellion. So what?

For some, part of the necessary process is to completely remove themselves from all links with Jehovah's Witnesses and this may be at significant personal cost. This does not mean that this is required for all those awake to TTATT.

The biggest difference between being confined by or free of the mental shackles of a high control group is the freedom one has to think for oneself. Part of that freedom is also giving others the right to make their own choices without it always being a black and white, right or wrong, moral or immoral, open and shut case.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Gold-Plate a Garbage Can

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy2n8ll5tpe.

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konceptual99

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Gold-Plate a Garbage Can

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy2n8ll5tpe.

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konceptual99

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Had the C.O visit this week...went out on service and Wow

by MrsR-Awaken in

this is my first post here (not being comments) but i still have to tell my story but for that i need to get my mind together in other to give as much detail as possible to be able to share it.

will do in a future post.. anyway i had to share this.. so i went out on service this morning (i never do i always end up excusing myself because i hate field service) reason i did was to see what the new c.o had to say and he sure did say something.

he was saying what we had to present and he went over the watchtower magazine.

konceptual99

The compliments on the house etc are straight from the CLAM presentation videos shown his week. The CO was simply parroting the formula pushed out at the meeting.

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Fishing and JW's???

by lurkernomore in

so i was just reading a thread and came across a completely new jw 'rule', that of not being allowed to go fishing!..

at least it's new to me as i always enjoyed fishing as did others in my old congregation.

anyone else heard of this or had this imposed on them in they're jw lives?.

konceptual99

Utter rubbish. Whilst people may have frowned on it there was no ban. Hunting (shooting esp) as a sport is another matter.

For what it's worth the man responsible for all of the U.K. Inland waterways, including issuing the rod licence, at the Environment Agency was an elder and an active fly fisherman.

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Why the Governing Body caught a frightful fright

by Saintbertholdt in

it has been extensively reported on the forum that there has been a marked increase in effort over the past two years by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses to encourage an increase in monetary donations.

this has also been accompanied by the stripping of financial capital from the local congregations.

as has also been reported on this forum, this has in all probability been done to facilitate the financing of the vast new hq building project as well as the financing of the shift from a publishing company to becoming an internet based charismatic multimedia company which produces lame pixar/disney animation knock offs while simultaneously parading the governing body's ever expanding waistlines, blingy accoutrements and stupid grins.. meanwhile the financials of the organization remains as murky as ever.

konceptual99

What about the fact that WT hides behind not just one corporation but multiple legal entities?

They move money and assets around to protect it from insurance claims and prying eyes. Even in the UK where the charity commission financials are a matter of public record it is hard to get a true picture of things so trying to do the same for the tens of US corps let alone offshore entities is nigh on impossible surely.

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BOE 2016-01-05 Re: Index to Letters for Bodies of Elders

by wifibandit in

letter.

index.

konceptual99

Great work. Are all the letters available online in one place?

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S.A.D. Observations from the assembly.

by Darkknight757 in

so we had brother losch visiting our special assembly day which was weird in itself.

he's not a very good speaker and seemed like he was in dire need of a nap or something.. anyways just a few observations from the assembly program.

theme: imitate their faith.

konceptual99

Interesting regarding costs. I assume this is a JW assembly hall. I don't know what the US costs are but $24,000 sounds like a crazy amount. What was the attendance?

One small point - the SAD no longer exists. You get two x one day CA now.

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Bethel layoffs of oldies

by I am a Bible Student in

is this true?

has anyone heard of it?

saw it on my facebook.. "jan. 6 bethel update 108 elderly bethelites getting the boot.. brooklyn, ny.

konceptual99

The OP is talking about Worldwide HQ. I am talking about info received from UK Bethelite in past few days concerning overall numbers going in the British branch.