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  WTS checklist for Elders to destroy evidence?

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3t1yp7/marc_and_cora_posted_on_utube/.

  hot off the presses from exjw reddit earlier today.

  massive leak in uk.. if true, this is big (and very, very disturbing)..

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  konceptual99

  The issue for the organisation in the UK is that the Data Protection Act brings certain responsibilities to organisations regarding the protection of personal data. It also permits individuals to request data held about them.

  As each congregation is a charity then each congregation has responsibilities under the DPA.

  The trustees of the charity are the elders and, as such, they have numerous liabilities and responsibilities under charity law and other legislation, such as the DPA. Most elders have no real clue about what it really means for them personally.

  For this reason and others, such as a reducing the risk of documentation being used against individual elders, the congregation or the organisation, then the org molly coddles the elders and prescribes, as usual, the detail about what should be recorded and how.

  Audits of this documentation happen periodically. Any UK elder, especially if they have been the secretary or COBE/PO, should know this. I've not kept up with the detail of what is kept and how but the info has been discussed via letters and, more commonly, via elder's schools.

  As far as I can tell this letter is not triggering some systematic cover-up and mass purge of documentation. It's simply making sure there are clear instructions to all elders to adhere to the existing policies. Rather than getting hung up on the letter, I think it is far more relevant to look behind this at what the instructions are for the recording and storage of information about JCs, child abuse and other congregation matters that may have a wider relevance. It's these policies and instructions that reveal more about the motivation of the WTS as to information gathering and storage.
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  WTS checklist for Elders to destroy evidence?

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3t1yp7/marc_and_cora_posted_on_utube/.

  hot off the presses from exjw reddit earlier today.

  massive leak in uk.. if true, this is big (and very, very disturbing)..

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  This is not especially new. There are periodic reminders about ensuring the congregation file contents are in line with policies. They are not demanding that all notes from elders meetings and regarding things like child abuse cases are destroyed just that they are in line with the instructions previously provided.

  Of course there are questions about the extent and purpose of the notes they do keep but overall this letter is nothing out of the ordinary.
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  Review of the November 15 study article - "Stand Firm in the Faith"

  by Divergent in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this study article poses questions that we should ask ourselves.

  don't have time to analyze the whole thing, so will start from paragraph 8:.

  8 do gods promises seem less real to me now than they once did?

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  These articles are all geared towards making it seem like the organisation cares about the inactive. Yet, as pointed out, all they do is put the issue onto the inactive person, make it their problem. Not once do they make any concessions that organisational processes may be to blame, constant failed promises and expectations - anything that admits any liability on the part of the organisation.

  Pointless trash.
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  Too Funny Prank

  by berrygerry in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  from a redditor - would have died to have been there.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3sukbu/our_congregation_happens_to_have_a_networked/.

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  konceptual99

  Childish. Immature. Puerile. But I would have loved to have been there. Imagine that happening at a CA or RC...
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  JAMES WOODS is in the hospital (heart related)

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  james woods has been a long time regular on this discussion group in all of its incarnations.. he had some kind of "heart-attack" and has been in dallas' emergency ward for several days.

  he also has a blood clot doctors are working to break up.. 972-261-4412 is his cell number.. he was in a talking mood yesterday afternoon.. i bet it wouldn't kill him to get some well-wishes.. james goes back a long way as an ex-jw.

  he knows where the bodies are buried :).

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  Get well soon James!
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  Never Bring a Knife to a Drone Fight

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  apparently, it's good news, everybody - mohammed emwazi (aka jihadi john) has been targeted by a us drone strike.

  the location was in raqqa, syria, a few yards from isis hq, near a clock tower where crucifixions are carried out.

  there are conflicting reports, some say he died instantly at 11:40pm yesterday, others say that he was badly injured and taken to a nearby hospital.. from what i've previously read about emwazi, he was apparently terrified of being targeted by drones - yesterday it seems his nightmare was made reality.

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  The only reason for bringing up the Irish situation is that it illustrates a situation where continued military intervention was only really stopped when the status quo of violence was trumped by the majority marginalising the extremists.

  Of course ISIS is a different problem in many ways but it is backed by an ideology that allows the extremism to breed beyond national borders and loyalties. Military intervention over the past 25 years has not stamped out Islamic extremists. It has not marginalised the thinking of these lunatics. The people to change Islam are Moslems.

  Extreme behaviour by "Christian" nations stopped when the West became more secular, less dogmatic and more tolerant. It has taken hundreds of years but the pace of change has increased as less and less people have bought into the prejudices that religious belief allows to be propagated.

  islam is along way behind but I only see real change coming as the ideology gets marginalised as more and more people are secularised and educated. Making that happen in the Moslem world is the challenge.
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  Never Bring a Knife to a Drone Fight

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  apparently, it's good news, everybody - mohammed emwazi (aka jihadi john) has been targeted by a us drone strike.

  the location was in raqqa, syria, a few yards from isis hq, near a clock tower where crucifixions are carried out.

  there are conflicting reports, some say he died instantly at 11:40pm yesterday, others say that he was badly injured and taken to a nearby hospital.. from what i've previously read about emwazi, he was apparently terrified of being targeted by drones - yesterday it seems his nightmare was made reality.

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  Odd then how it worked in Japan and Germany.

  You can't compare the two - the context and situations are very different. Radical Islamism is a thought virus. Repeated attempts to stamp it our have failed over and over again. I am not arguing that there is no case for military intervention just that real change cannot be forced on people with the sort of entrenched ideological lunacy inherent within jihadist Islam. There has to be a fundamental change in the mindset.
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  Never Bring a Knife to a Drone Fight

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  apparently, it's good news, everybody - mohammed emwazi (aka jihadi john) has been targeted by a us drone strike.

  the location was in raqqa, syria, a few yards from isis hq, near a clock tower where crucifixions are carried out.

  there are conflicting reports, some say he died instantly at 11:40pm yesterday, others say that he was badly injured and taken to a nearby hospital.. from what i've previously read about emwazi, he was apparently terrified of being targeted by drones - yesterday it seems his nightmare was made reality.

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  Ermm....try the fact the IRA lost its main finance/support network after 9/11 when the US population had a taste of what terrorism actually means...
  That said...basically, in the case of Ireland, terroism worked

  Accepting that the the causes of both the start and end of the Troubles are more complex than any single sentence you or I could write, I think you'll find the Good Friday Agreement pre-dates 9'11 by several years.

  I have no doubt that any argument suggesting that the British Government really stood by some public stance of not talking to terrorists is utter rubbish but there is no doubt that the perpetuation of extreme violence to support either end of the idealogical spectrum lost it's appeal over time to a greater proportion of the population.

  Of course concessions were made. The inclusion of Sinn Fein in the political process and into Stormont was critical in seeing the end of the violence. You can argue terrorism worked however there was no unification of Ireland. There was no complete delivery by the IRA of their ultimate aims. If Northern Ireland needs defending it will be the British Army that does so. The majority of Unionists lost interest in listening to the moronic ramblings of Paisley and Adams and McGuinness had to present an acceptable political face rather than be seen as the puppets of a bunch of paramilitaries.

  The extremism of ISIS leaves no room for such compromise. Military action may be the only way of containing the problem for the moment but ultimately it will need solving by communication and hopefully the moderate voices shall start to gain traction at some point.
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  Raining before the Flood?

  by GrownMidget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember at my teen years when i was studying with a brother that he said to me that there was no rain before the flood.

  instead there was this mist that you have.

  never before or after this have i heard something like this.

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  Nice one George - I'd forgotten that one.
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  Never Bring a Knife to a Drone Fight

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  apparently, it's good news, everybody - mohammed emwazi (aka jihadi john) has been targeted by a us drone strike.

  the location was in raqqa, syria, a few yards from isis hq, near a clock tower where crucifixions are carried out.

  there are conflicting reports, some say he died instantly at 11:40pm yesterday, others say that he was badly injured and taken to a nearby hospital.. from what i've previously read about emwazi, he was apparently terrified of being targeted by drones - yesterday it seems his nightmare was made reality.

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  @luhe

  Correct - they might might be perfectly sane just completely indoctrinated. The use of the term "mental" is relative. Anyone who is prepared to cut off the head of an aid worker just because of political and religious ideals is mental even if they don't have a medically definable mental illness.

  I'm not questioning the principle of a military role, just that the solution has to be a complete change in attitude of the majority of people. The end of the troubles in Northern Ireland was essentially because the majority of people got tired of living in an urban war zone. Their ideals were trumped by their desire to have a normal life and the moderate voices started to outweigh the extremists.

  The Israel/Palestinian issue and the West/extreme Islam conflicts are no where near this tipping point but will be one day I hope. The other problem is that all the wannabe jihadi lunatics are only too pleased to be squashed like a bug. Take away an afterlife full of virgins and then see how many of them want to blow themselves up...