Posts by konceptual99

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Marriage Consummation - emailed question has me stumped

by jwfacts in

i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.

they were together for a period of years.

he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.

konceptual99

I've not had direct experience of this but I have close knowledge of a case where the wife stopped having sex with her husband and he went off.

Basically whatever the law of the land may say about marriage consumation this holds no water in dub land. The Bible speaks about rendering the due but that in itself is not reason to leave a marriage.

The couple got married and the sex side of things basically counts for zilch. He could have seperated, lost any privilages but remained a witness. Going off and sleeping with someone else is adultery in the eyes of the WTS and I would have been amazed if the BoE had behaved any differently.

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JW.org to be banned in Russia

by redvip2000 in

my facebook was "lit up" today with all the out cries about the possibility of the organization's website being banned in russia.. as many of you recall this past august a court in russia banned the website and sought to make accessing the website in russia illegal.

well tomorrow the appeal by the org will be heard in court.

if the appeal is denied, jw.org will no longer be available in that part of the world, causing endless lamentations and cries of "persecution", only to bolster the idea that they are truly hated by the world because they are true christians.

konceptual99

Which is the lesser of two evils here? Allowing access to the website of an organisation that, whilst having lots of critics and not being harmless, posses no real threat to the Russia or yet another example of poor judgement regarding free speech and human rights by the Russian state.

Jehovah's Witnesses are well used to operating without a web site and the PR capital to be made from this "persecution" is gold to JW media department. Dropping the jw.org website globally would do little to stem the recruitment of individuals since the work is still predominately face to face. On the other hand, having online resources in local languages that expose the reality of JW teachings is critical in helping ones to either avoid getting involved or waking them up.

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Buyer was Jehovah's Witness

by ballistic in

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had a strange thing happen the other day.

someone from ebay came round to collect.

they had to come onto the house a spend some considerable time chating.

konceptual99

The DNC list is still used and I've never heard of any instruction, explicit or implicit, that we should not put them down here in the UK. There is a clear procedure for the recording of DNCs and what should be done about checking periodically that the status of the house and it's occupants remain the same. I am pretty sure it's in the Organised book and has probably been in the KM at some point over the relatively recent past as well.

It's usual for the brother conducting the FS meeting to say which houses are DNC. The reality is that we rarely get more than 1 or 2 at most on a map.

Of course, I have only done about 4 hours in the past 6 months so what the hell do I care...

[EDIT] - by "periodically" I think it's at least once every 18-24 months...

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How long before they back track on the internet

by joe134cd in

i was just thinking today.

how long will it be before the watchtower back tracks on its internet bashing, and finally allows it's publishers to set up internet sites.

how long before the wt joins up with the likes of face book /twitter.

konceptual99

I think the question should be... how long before we find out that the bOrg is logging and tracking IP's of all JW.org and JW App users?

Elders & MS's already log into JW.org so they already no the IP's of a large amount of their elders and MS's, CO's etc.

All this internet history is certainly at least logged if not tracked. One day soon we will here about someone getting caught and DF'd for apostasy due to IP tracking.

The day will come

I've thought about this before but don't think the end user risk is that high. In general people's IP addresses do change pretty regularly and since people use the internet out and about I don't see a big risk overall.

I think the nearest the society could get to something substantial in reality is tracking a link from jwn to jw.org and then the user logs into jw.org. Even that does not prove anything. How can you prove who the person was that was using the computer? If the source page is private then you have no idea what the person was looking at. Given the Ip address is likely to be in an ISP pool then you have to ensure the action was in the same session. There are privicy issues as well. I don't think the society could make something stick even in their kangaroo court world. At best, a repeated pattern of hitting jw.org from a link on jwn (or other site) and then logging in to a known account would only raise a flag which could probably never be used.

I think letting too much info out, poor browsing security, self-incrimination, mistakes, dobbing in by others and the like are far more likely to lead to a JC than any IP subterfuge. On top of that I think it's even more likely that the directly observable behaviour of someone fading or rebelling still gives the elders far more clues than anything else.

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Scottish?

by RottenRiley in

my experience with jws, often they were very frugal and cheap, willing to use my car in field circus every weekend.

why are jehovah's witnesses so dense and obtuse when it comes to sharing costs and contributing?

has the topic of district convention 'tight-ass cheap-skating' jehovah's witnesses been talked about?

konceptual99

I didn't realise I'd entered a time machine back to 1970's Saturday night light entertainment but the point re JW tightness is true.

I am sure this has been discussed on the board before but I think all of us that are or have been "in" know the problems you have getting people to share petrol expense or, even worse, settling a bill at a group meal. The latter drove me so mad that I never do it anymore - have to sub other people who deliberately fail to pay is not my idea of a fun night out.

I have eaten out with lots of Witnesses and non-Witnesses and can honestly say I've never had the problems settling bills as I have had with Witnesses. I can't understand why it is such an endemic problem world wide. Is it just ignorance through not having wide social experience?

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Three Comments & An Ass-Chewing

by piztjw in

so, normally if i go to a meeting i sit and don't say a word through the entire ordeal.

however today i just could not keep my big mouth shut.. it was funny that i even got called on....three times none-the-less.

of course 99% of the sheeple just sat with blank looks on their mugs this morning.

konceptual99

Top marks! Nice work.

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Euphemisms for cursing among JWs

by gaiagirl in

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in an effort to show that they had put on a 'new' personality, many who joined the wtbts would adjust their speech patterns to avoid common expressions of cursing or profanity.

yet there would still arise times when they would become frustrated, angry or disgusted at someone or at a situation, and wish to express their feelings.

here are a couple of substitutes for cursing heard among jws ...... forget you.

konceptual99

For coughs and colds take Lemsip.

One for the guys in the UK. Say it fast.

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Three Comments & An Ass-Chewing

by piztjw in

so, normally if i go to a meeting i sit and don't say a word through the entire ordeal.

however today i just could not keep my big mouth shut.. it was funny that i even got called on....three times none-the-less.

of course 99% of the sheeple just sat with blank looks on their mugs this morning.

konceptual99

So what was the ass chewing?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

konceptual99

S&R - "It doesn't mean anything you barn owl!"

This is my most favourite line from any thread on any forum in goodness only knows how many days, weeks and months.

Can I please have permission from you to use this at every available opportunity?

Just to add as well that although I can see the futility of trying to present an argument that simply will fall on deaf ears please don't under-estimate the power of these type of discussions. It is threads like this that have cemented in my brain the logical arguments for accepting evolutionary science. I spent years as a supposedly intelligent, free-thinking and slightly cyncial Witness putting my fingers in my ears and blurting out "I can't hear you" everytime I was faced with science that contradicted my view of how the world got here thanks to God.

The fact people like Cofty, S&R, cantleave and others have spent so much time explaining the arguments, detailing how basic physics, chemistry and biology works only to be answered with "you don't know, you weren't there" type of fallacies has wrecked my faith completely. I have nothing but thanks and appreciation for that.

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WWI - The Great War - Really....?

by konceptual99 in

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interesting article on the bbc website debunking some myths around wwi.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776836.

lies, damn lies and statistics perhaps but interesting anyway.

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konceptual99

Interesting article on the BBC website debunking some myths around WWI.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776836

Lies, damn lies and statistics perhaps but interesting anyway.