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  1961 Kingdom Service Questions-Not to be studied at any meeting, nor placed in general circulation among the publishers!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
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  1961 kingdom service questions: personal references to watch tower publications on moral matters..this booklet is the property of the_____________________congregation.

  it is to be retained in the congregation permanent file.

  its counsel is for the guidance of the congregation committee in handling matters with members of the congregation.

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  @Cobaltcupcake

  I can't take credit for all of that, but I don't know who to give credit to.

  Probably 90% is due to JWFacts.

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  1961 Kingdom Service Questions-Not to be studied at any meeting, nor placed in general circulation among the publishers!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1961 kingdom service questions: personal references to watch tower publications on moral matters..this booklet is the property of the_____________________congregation.

  it is to be retained in the congregation permanent file.

  its counsel is for the guidance of the congregation committee in handling matters with members of the congregation.

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  HOW TO HANDLE BEING RAPED

  Awake! 80, July 8 p. 12 - Fight back if you think you should:
  “May she properly inflict damage on her assailant? Indeed she may…she may use any means at her disposal to resist intercourse.”

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 - Treat the rapist with respect and understanding:"Treat Him Respectfully – The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behaviour. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly as a fellow human.”

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 (Same magazine!!) - You must fight back or else it's an unforgivable sin:

  “But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection.”

  Awake! 86, May 22p. 23 - You must fight back:
  “Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment...Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

  Awake! 86, Sept 22 - Fight back if you think you should:
  "True, the woman has to respond according to her assessment of the danger to her life, and we believe that is covered in the advice given in the box on page 23 (May 22, 1986). It should be kept in mind that submitting to rape gives no guarantee that the victim will not be beaten or killed afterward. See the article “They Resisted Rapists” in our issue of February 22, 1984.—ED."
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  1961 Kingdom Service Questions-Not to be studied at any meeting, nor placed in general circulation among the publishers!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1961 kingdom service questions: personal references to watch tower publications on moral matters..this booklet is the property of the_____________________congregation.

  it is to be retained in the congregation permanent file.

  its counsel is for the guidance of the congregation committee in handling matters with members of the congregation.

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  RAPE VICTIM IS GUILTY OF FORNICATION

  WT 64, Jan 15 p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication:
  “Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation."

  WT 68, Jun 1, confirms guiltiness by adding:
  “Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to ‘flee from fornication.’ (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case.”

  Aid to Bible Understanding ’ (1969) Acknowledges rape is not fornication - not guilty:
  “RAPE: Rape is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman’s consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation…” (p. 1374)
  “FORNICATION: Sex relations by mutual agreement between two persons not married to each other.” (p. 601)

  Awake! March 8, 1974, page 14. Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:

  “If she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow…Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshipped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned.”

  Awake! 80, July 8 p.5 - 6 New understanding that being raped renders you helpless - not guilty:
  “I never physically fought him off in anyway…I was overwhelmingly confused and defenceless against the whole suddenness.”“Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless.”

  WT 80 Oct 15, p.7, Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:
  “She told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation."

  WT 83, Mar 15 p.30 - If raped, not guilty of fornication:

  “What do we understand here by ‘fornication’? The Greek word in this text is porneia…. A male or female who is forcibly raped would not be guilty of porneia.” Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 - If you don't fight back you are unforgivably guilty:

  “But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection.”

  Awake! 84, Jun 8 p. 28 - If raped, not guilty of fornication :
  “For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication, there would need to be proof of willing consent.”

  Awake! 86, May 22 p. 23 - If you don't fight back you are guilty:
  “Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment...Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

  Awake! 89, Aug 22 p.24 - Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty :
  “It was then that I remembered the scripture in Deuteronomy chapter 22. It says that if a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicates she is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah.”

  w03 2/1 p. 31 - You may not be able to scream - Not guilty.

  "Therefore, a victim who was unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah’s hands."
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  A Message to Active Elders Lurking on JWN

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are really only a couple of reasons an active elder would be lurking here on jwn.. .

  [if !supportlists]i. your ever growing doubts about the organization have led you here, or.

  [if !supportlists]ii.

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  The first feelings are of hatred for all the apostate lies.

  Then its anger at the way the WT quotes are being misrepresented.

  Then its a disbelief and confusion when certain things are proven true.

  Then its disgust for the lies you realise you've been fed all your life.

  Then it's addiction to keep coming back to see what else is being exposed every day!

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  Trend of Fewer Baptisms Continues: Latest JW Conventions in New Zealand

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the round of "international" conventions that started in the middle of last year in the states "wrapped" up last weekend in new zealand.

  there was some media converage (from which i derived the information that follows).

  (someone who knows how to copy links may be able to provide the relevant media links?).

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  At our last CA we baptised a 10 yr old.

  Helping in the changing rooms afterwards he culdnt do his own tie up.

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  What are married women called who attend pioneer school?

  by usualusername in

  1. jw
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  many many many years ago i attended the pioneer and have just recalled that the married sisters were listed on paper as mr jane doe (mrs) or something peculiar like that.. .

  is that custom still followed?.

  uun .

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  Last summer my wife and I volunteered as attendants at the DC.

  We turned up at the attendants desk to pick up our badges. I was given one, my wife was told she couldn't have one since she was a sister.

  I found her a hi-vis vest to wear instead. Madness.

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  JW.ORG section again some irrelevant news

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how lovely the very old jw lady is, it's not about her.. but the jw.org is using every opportunity to make (irrelevant) news!.

  http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/europe/france/irenise-moulonguet-centenarian/.

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  That's not a person, that's a proboscis monkey in a dress and hat.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_a_Proboscis_Monkey.jpg

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  My Husband Said "Victims Of Pedophiles Come Forward Soon, Not Fifteen Or Thirty Years Later!" Right?

  by AuntConnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband had gotten into a fight with a couple of victims of different pedophiles, he said in all his years of elderhood, "men and women who were sexually assualted came forward when they were old enough, they did not wait for decades to report they were abused.

  you must have some kind of false memory or you are just trying to bring shame to the congregations.

  " what is the truth of this?.

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  Instead of framing your posts in terms of "weak witness" and "strong witness", try using "victim" and "pedophile".

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  Post KM Elder School, you may see elders become a little nosier or nebby than usual.

  by Theocratic Sedition in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after reading through onedayillbefree's thread about being taken into the back room and asked inappropriate questions, i was reminded about a part done at the km school.

  one of the common themes throughout the one day school was viewing things the way god sees them and how doing so will require that elders develope insight.

  they defined insight as, evaluating individual aspects in light of others, or getting & understanding facts and how all relate to one another.. next, they gave specific examples where an elder will need insight in order to assist wayward sheep.

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  If anyone tells me I should quit my demanding job which keeps me away from certain meetings, I'll tell them this job came after weeks of intense prayer, so I view it as being from Jehovah.

  Who am I to question Jehovah and why he thinks this is best for me?

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  Elders finally took me to the back room...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after several months of leaving the meetings as soon as they ended or only staying for "the first meeting" then leaving the "second part", the elders finally cornered me at last night's meeting.. they said they were concerned about me and that being that i am a young brother in a recently divided congregation they saw so much potential in me to help out the congregation and become a ms.. i told them i was thankful for their thinking of me to help the congregation but that at the moment i could not due to my job.

  then the began asking personal questions that got on my nerves.. they asked where i worked and how much i made.

  they asked if i was going to college and what i was studying and for how long.

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  Next time they ask you into the back room:

  "I thought about our last conversation we had in the back room, and you made me feel very uncomfortable asking me personal questions about my personal life, work life, and salary".

  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let you do that to me a second time. I'm sure you understand."

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