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  JW Response to NGO/UN info

  by Andrew Farrell in

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  following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

  it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

  andrew,.

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  roybatty

  I "love" how JWs respond to "apostate" exposes' but then don't allow a follow-up. The "don't write me unless you're reinstated" is so typical.
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  children of the watchtower

  by kdk in

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  i have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.

  my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.

  its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.

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  roybatty

  Kdk,

  I have a similar experience going on right now. I was raised a JW, married one, even became an elder before I was DA’d. My wife divorced me because she considered me a spiritual threat. Anyway, sad to say our two kids, 10 and 7, were and are caught in the middle. It’s been this way for about a year and half. Here are some of the do’s and don’t’s that come to my mind when your kid(s) are being raised by one parent who is a JW and another who isn’t. Again, this is what I did.

  DO
  1. Get your child involved in community activities. My son plays baseball and football while my daughter plays soccer and has participated in dozens of after-school activities. I also coach their teams. By doing this, they make many non-JW’s friends. This will help get the thought process going (“Will Jehovah God really kill all of these people?”) Also, their mom won’t let them go to these activities on “meeting nights” so they already get “upset” about this. Again, they begin to learn early on how controlling the WT really is.
  2. Bring them to church (if this fits in with your beliefs). We attend a local church, just an hour a week. Lots of their friends go there, so they enjoy seeing their school buddies there. We also see some of our neighbors there and people that I work with. So this will re-adjust their demented view of “Christendom” that the WT drills into their heads. We also read from a daily devotional, kind of like a daily text, each morning. Again, I’m not to turn them into “Jesus freaks” but I do want to have a religious upbringing and a proper view of religions.
  3. Celebrate the holidays with them. There are certain things that are “family” activities and certain things that are “individual” choices. Celebrating the holidays is a mandatory family activity. We started last Christmas, which they kind of enjoyed but this past Independence Day was a blast (no pun intended). Again, it will straighten out their twisted view of the holidays.
  4. Help them to appreciate the country they live in.
  5. Help them to appreciate (in a brief way) the future and what it would be like if they decide to get baptized.
  6. Tell them over and over and show them over and over that you will love them no matter what.
  7. Read all kinds of books with them that inform them about great men and women throughout history. My kids have enjoyed stories about Nathan Hale, George Washington, Admiral Nelson and others. In my mind they learn to admire people who were not JWs and did things that the WT teaches against.
  8. When you see JWs out in public and you’re with your kids, say “hi” to them. Again, your kids will see first hand how awful it is that JW shun people.
  9. Explain to you kid(s) why you left the WT. I explained to them that I respect the fact that JW’s have a right to believe what they want, without the threat of punishment but that I also have that right.

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  1. At this age I don’t have heavy doctrinal discussions with them. The times that I have it has back-fired because they do love their mom and they view it as an attack on her and on their JW friends.
  2. Do not make fun of the WT. Again, they will defend it. If not verbally, in their mind they will. It will also reinforce in their minds what the WT teaches them an apostate is.
  3. Personally, I choose not to even ask them about the meetings, field service or anything related to the WT.
  4. Don’t “force” them to do things that are a personal choice. I let the kids choose for themselves things like will they say the pledge at school, do they want a birthday party or do they want to go trick or treating. But like I said above, on matters that we do as a “family” it’s different.

  Anyway, just my two cents.
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  Blanc UN Application Forms (as signed by wts)

  by Kent in

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  2. scandals

  here are copies of the blanc forms the watchtower bible and tract society has signed with the un!.

  required application materials" document and more importantly the "criteria for association".. .

  thanks a lot to hawkaw.

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  roybatty

  Hawk, if you get copies of the forms filled out by the WT THAT would be amazing! Good luck.
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  Blanc UN Application Forms (as signed by wts)

  by Kent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  here are copies of the blanc forms the watchtower bible and tract society has signed with the un!.

  required application materials" document and more importantly the "criteria for association".. .

  thanks a lot to hawkaw.

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  roybatty

  Um...I think something is messed up.
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  First DA Over UN/WT Issue!

  by messenger in

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  i was sent this email from a close personal friend who has served as an elder for several years.

  it is a copy of excerpts of his disassociation letter sent to his local congregation and the society on tuesday of this week.

  perhaps this is the first da over the un/wt relationship.

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  roybatty

  And I can't believe they kicked me out for joining the YMCA! LOL
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  I need your advice

  by cecil in

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  i need your advice: i have written a letter to my branch office regarding my problems with the 607-chronology 60+ pages with short references about the issue, that i have collected through the past 9-10 years.

  at the end of my letter i asked 14 questions 7 questions regarding the biblical evidence against the 607 bce-chronology and 7 questions regarding the historical and astronomical evidence against it.. the letter i received as an answer did not contain anything that could qualify as an answer or even an attempt to answer my questions.

  i called the branch office by phone and talked to the brother who had written the answer.

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  roybatty

  I guess mymailmum now has a "reasoning book" that she can use on-line.
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  What is going ON?

  by Aintthatcute in

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  first of all: i am new and have been lurking for about 2 weeks.

  whoow!

  glad i got that out of the way.. something that really bothers me is: when they say that the gb all the way down, elders, and ministerial servents are "appointed" by jehovah, and are deserving of "double honor".

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  roybatty

  There were quite a few WT teachings that I didn't believe when I was "appointed by the holy spirit" to become an elder. Kind of makes me chuckle when I think about this and read You Know's posts.
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  Why JWs and ex JWs Return to Watchtower 3

  by Victor_E in

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  this post is an attempt to explain the paradoxical return of ex-jws back to the watchtower.

  my premise is that a persons unconscious mind has a positive intent in leading them back to the former environment and the intent is of intrinsic value within individuals.. developmental psychology tells us there are six primary developmental stages in a persons life.

  if a person experiences developmental gaps or underdevelopment of a stage all the others that follow will not develop properly and these will be affected.

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  roybatty

  I always "love" how JW's label people who leave the WT as having failed God. It's never possible in their minds that a person examined their beliefs, honestly saw areas that were not in harmony with what they believe the Bible teaches and thus no longer wanted to be a JW. Why is that SOOOOOO hard to comprehend? Oh, but it's easy for them to understand how a Catholic would leave his religion to become a JW. <sigh> Oh well, same old same old.
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  What is going ON?

  by Aintthatcute in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first of all: i am new and have been lurking for about 2 weeks.

  whoow!

  glad i got that out of the way.. something that really bothers me is: when they say that the gb all the way down, elders, and ministerial servents are "appointed" by jehovah, and are deserving of "double honor".

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  roybatty

  You know, you said:

  >>He was hand-picked for the kingship by Jehovah's prophet Samuel, and yet Saul became a petty tyrant.<<

  I think the question is what about those that are doing what is bad (secretly) and are still appointed? It's easy to explain what happened to Saul and David but what if they were doing these awful things while they were being appointed by God?

  I can state from first hand experience that there are elder and ms that are appointed while doing things that go against the WT rules.
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  It Is Time for mass mailing campaign

  by radar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  every now and then when watchtower officials feel the rank and file members are begining to drift through apathy, they introduce special leaflet campaigns.remeber the armaggeddon tract?.

  well how about everyone, swamping the watchtower with our mailing campaign?.

  any ideas for a tract title?.

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  roybatty

  I always liked the title of ad that someone placed in the local paper:
  "Danger at Your Door - Jehovah's Witnesses"
  I know that everyone in congregation was buzzing about it.