those of you who read my last post, about two weeks ago, know i'm in a dilemma.
i did not run like some posts suggested.
i truly believe i found my soulmate.
If you love her, you should not get in the middle of a complicated foreign marriage and let her go immediately.
She should find out what she wants and deal with her matters herself before implicating you into a prospective later relationship with her.
An organsation or individual cant remain in God without constantly remaining in love.
The gospel says "And we have come to know and believe that love that God has for us. God is love and the one who remains in love remains in union with God and god remains in union with him"
Any form of social excommunication has to be defeated and avoided.
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1.John 4,16 NWT
1. God lets the Sun shine for evil and good ones, that is a loveing arrangement. Why should we as loving ones not let "shine" our love light for all men but exclude those who are week and struggling with faith, but love God? Loving arrangement always shows love and not limited on special conditions.
2. Loving arrangement would be comparable to a father and mother love who always love children.
so i've mentioned this friend of my husband's who started writing to me out of the blue about three years ago, decades after we d'aed.
last august i wrote to her about the arc and jackson's summons.
i gave her the website details so she could see for herself.
Sad that your former friend thinks that you have to repent something and how they see everything from the view "big J will correct all mistakes". She wants to help - and that is a likeable answer and signal - but of course she cannot admit that "big J", as you call him, and his organisation are on a meander.
My uncle is in this moment waiting in the starting blocks too to hand me out the "Return to big J" brochure. The elders of my congregation selected him out to contact me for a "major gift" that he should hand me over. Last time he could not snap me, because I was not at home. On phone uncle said: "If that (ARC) would be true, we would have been informed".
there are so many gems in in search of christian freedom but i thought this section in 'indoctrination and subordination' was excellent, summing things up brilliantly, worth highlighting for anyone who hasn't read the book;.
"the sum of the evidence is, then, that although no extreme physical isolation occurs, a very effective mental isolation is pro- duced by the organizations interpretation placed on jesus words about not being part of the world.
the community of believers becomes quite insulated and intellectually sealed off from any source of scriptural material other than that coming from the one voice, that of the organization.
Even “worldly” relatives, meaning non-Witness relatives, are often gradually shunted off to a rather cool and distant relationship.
The Jesus of the gospels is not the leader of an "elitistic" group, who are snobbish and compacent with its "congregational cleaness", "group holiness", while excluding friendship or close contact with "worldly" people.
Jesus sat down on a table with guzzlers and searched association with those that had lost faith, the discharged, lonely, heavily loaded, underdogs so he pointed to his message that god was good.
The faithul ones of the jewish society called Jesus a glutton and drunkard. Matthew 11,19. Jesus did not fit in their picture of a religious, believing person. And if jesus had been a social worker he would not have been treated better. Jesus association with underdogs and contacts with sinners are not very exemplary for our sense, are they not?
Yet I am not better. I avoid contact with underdogs too. I am trained to live and elitisitc way of life, I learned it from the days of my youth, later in the cong, and it remained part of my personality. I more and more avoided contacts within the underdogs in the cong at all. My contacts were with the examplary witnesses. Once I hated to go out and dance, because only worldy guys are doing that. I avoided contact with worldly people in freetime. So I became a lone wolf..And even after so many years of being away I have no Non-JW friends or not even closer contacts to people at all, no circle of friends or good mates.(without my wife and children) Fortunately my wife safed me.
My avoiding of contact to the "world" in my youth lead to social isolation after leaving JW.
The picture of a congregation or "church" that is elitistic detains millions of people who "have the change to live forever" from concact with the Bible or the church.
Faith is not a matter of churches who exclude, but of the individuals.
a norwegian regional newspaper published an article on a circuit assembly day of jws (including a photo) some weeks ago.
following that, a df woman was interviewed in another article.. following up on that, this editorial was written and published .. http://saltenposten.no/index.php?page=vis_nyhet&nyhetid=8368.
jehovah's witnesses are one of them.
Good reference. Thanks.
Where faith is trampled down, family ties are cutted, truth is recurved to lie, love is extinguished, you must not be silent.
i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.
i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.
has anyone else heard anything like this recently?
Isw1961
This is at the larger interest of the organization as this creates no disfellowshipped persons to take revenge on the group by leaking information to the Secular Authorities.
Truely a very loving and caring arrangement, again the interest of the group would be more important than the harmful effects to the individual disfellowshipped and the family members.
the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .
Ontological trinity (ontology, study of being and essence) "Each of the three persons in the Godhead are divine, have equal attributes (omniscience, omnipresence, holiness, etc.)."
Economic Trinity (economic, from the Greek oikonomikos, which means relating to arrangement of activities)To be overly simplistic, we could say that the Ontological Trinity deals with what God is and the Economic Trinity deals with what God does.
https://carm.org/ontological-and-economic-trinity
As economic subordination is easily confused with Arian subordiationism this is a good comprehension about the matter.
How important therefore to find easy definitions. Both explanations are conceptualisations of our thoughts about methaphysical objects,God,holy spirit, Son, what is their nature, essence and in which relation they are.
Onto ="being", "logy"=theory
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About concepts of "Ontology" - application of the philosophical concepts about speaking about being and existence and the application in the computational domain.
http://iaoa.org/isc2012/docs/Guarino2009_What_is_an_Ontology.pdf
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How Ontologies are used in Information/Knowledge Management:
..your experience with the watchtower corporation:.
i'll start...... bully boy elders.
Good moring friend:
Theocratic arrangements and order will bring perfect world under the prince of peace and his helpers, little princes
New Order soon will come and fullfill all wishes, beautiful girls and houses and jobs
Watchtower, Golden Age, Millenium Dawn Herald is observing the world situation since 18.. and you can benefit of it, though world situation is changing.
Kingdom is a real rulership under a real king and real 144000 mid-kings, a real theocratic rulership though but hardly touch our hearts.
Jehovah is not the real name of god but the most important name though.
Marginal notes with WT explanations are more important than bible.
My favourite:
Read (1) the Bible (2) Daily (3)
