A puzzling expression divinely created so that 2000 years later an uninspired yet somehow "guided" group of men directing a publishing entity could decipher it for us.
Isn't Jehovah God wonderful?
Sanchy
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The "anointed generation" is wrong, not because it is dragging on too long, but because it is too short.
by prologos injesus taught a surviving generation, a group inhering everlasting life, an escape route to avoid a global disaster worse than the flood, a generation that "will not pass away--" an infinite generation.
wt teaches a generation that dies, ends, passes away, at the first sign of real trouble, the great tribulation.. what do you believe about this wt assertion?
(apart from that there is no talking snake, it is all irrelevant).
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"Religion of Peace" Busy In Europe Today...
by freemindfade inturkey and now berlin, the abrahamic mind virus strikes again... actually there is no confirmation the truck attack was islam, but... it's probably islam.
at least in europe, they call terrorist attacks just that, unlike here in america, we have become so crazy we have clear terrorist attacks, some over a year old now that they still question the motive ala san bernadino.. religion .
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CNN was absolutely correct to report it in the manner in which it was reported. To label it a terrorist attack, or even a presumed terrorist attack, before the local experts called it as such would have been irresponsible
I agree with you DJS in that they shouldn't jump to conclusions before the facts are revealed. However, to label this event as a "truck crash" sets it up as an accidental tragedy, while the early circumstantial evidence clearly pointed otherwise. A more appropriate headlines could have been something along the lines of: "Truck slams into crowd at Berlin Christmas market, killing 12 and injuring 48"
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"Religion of Peace" Busy In Europe Today...
by freemindfade inturkey and now berlin, the abrahamic mind virus strikes again... actually there is no confirmation the truck attack was islam, but... it's probably islam.
at least in europe, they call terrorist attacks just that, unlike here in america, we have become so crazy we have clear terrorist attacks, some over a year old now that they still question the motive ala san bernadino.. religion .
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CNN is calling it a "truck crash"..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html
At least in Europe, they call terrorist attacks just that, unlike here in America
Germany and other European countries are willingly taking in hundreds of thousands of these folks from poor Muslim countries though. It was only a matter of time. The Obama admin wanted to take in a few thousand as well.. though I suspect the Trump admin will soon change that.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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You choose not to understand because it doesn't say GC.
I've never said that Revelation or other scriptures don't seem to be talking about some sort of Earth. I've mentioned this multiple times, and each time you chose to ignore it.
My issue is with the interpretation WT gives to the Great Crowd.
We are going in circles here A Believer.
I urge you to do some research on the matter beyond what WT has to say. You'll find that there are many Christian interpretations out there that do include some sort of return to the Earth by humanity.
Also, research the history of the WT, from multiple sources, and ask yourself if you can honestly say there is undeniable evidence that WT is the one true divinely chosen channel of God.
Also, ask yourself why a supposed loving God would make his word, on which the lives of billions of people rest, so unclear and open to interpretation. If he truly wanted none of children to die, why wouldn't he just make his objective clear, easy to understand and undeniable? Wouldn't you?
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Sanchy
So David,Moses and Noah didn't go and they were before that scripture was written.
That does not necessarily mean they weren't "going" after the words were written.
The "resurrection" had not occured yet.
Hebrews 11 talks about these men of old and then verse 16 says about them: "Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one"
The WT claims the resurrection is one to our old physical bodies. The Bible does not teach this. The second half of 1 Cor 15 describes the resurrection as to a new spiritual body.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Not sure what you are trying to prove, but again, no mention of the GC.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Actually the evidence leans on our side because the scriptures that say man will live on earth forever
Nowhere in those verses does it say that it is "the great crowd" coming down from heaven, or alternatively that the "great crowd" is on earth receiving the "new jerusalen" from heaven.
You are connecting two scriptures that are not necessarily linked.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Sanchy
A Believer, please consider my words carefully:
You are assuming that ONLY the great crowd from Rev 7 can be the ones to live on Earth? That's not necessarily the case. John in his vision is witnessing a great multitude (or crowd) of people that are in heaven. This does not mean that there isn't other biblical scriptures that refer to some sort of Earthly hope.
Does EVERYONE go to heaven? Not necessarily. Does everyone live on Earth? Not necessarily.
All I'm saying is that the evidence points to the location of the Great Crowd, whoever that group is, and that is wherever God is..aka heaven.
JWs are NOT the only ones to believe that the bible teaches that man will live on Earth. There are literally thousands of different theories and beliefs out there related to men living on Earth. Look them up. The bible is not clear in the matter, and thus so many different possible interpretations.
However, regarding the GC's location, WT is wrong.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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H A Believer,
Again, what does the great crowd have to do with what God will do for the Earth? You are assuming that ONLY the GC can be on Earth.
Who are they? Who knows. You'll find a million different interpretations online.
Where are they? Heaven.
What does this mean? WT is wrong
What hope is there for the Earth? Again, who knows? Another million different theories online, all based on different biblical interpretations.
If you want to be Christian, there are only a few things which are certain: You must put faith in Jesus and love your neighbor. Everything else is open to interpretations and very unclear.
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2017 JWN Christmas Card Exchange
by blondie inin years gone by i have organized and coordinated this.
pm me if you want to be added to the list giving me your snail mail address and/or your e-mail for those with tech skills and a safe e-mail.. do this by december 14, and i will pm the list to each person on it.
latecomers will be added but you may not get it by christmas.
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Sanchy
Again, thx for coordinating this Blondie.. wife and I enjoyed reading cards and making our own.