excuse me but isn't Alcohol in moderation ok and what is wrong with having a few beers with friends? Going beyond what is written aren't we WT? The more they clamp down the more they hang themselves and the more people will wake up!
thecrushed
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Fun with the July 15th WT illustration
by undercover inyes, friends, it's that time once more... when we clip some wt art to a post and try to find all the subliminal wt propaganda messages hidden in the illustration.
(kinda like, "can you find the differences between these two drawings" for kids in the sunday comics).
here's the illustration:.
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A new member of the thinking class
by Captain Obvious inthis is my first post on this forum, though it feels like i already know some of you here.
i have been lurking for a couple of months now, and i must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum i have ever seen on any forum of any kind.
i am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. we had a somewhat classic jw upbringing... which i now know has been our biggest problem.
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This thread is awesome. *bookmarked* forever The love and understanding coming out here is certianly amazing. At first I didn't know if I would feel safe here but I do and I think you sense it too Captian Obvious. Obviously right? lol I think the best piece of advice in this thread goes to linsc. *hugs* linsc
She will unconsciously expect you to behave more 'worldly' and display less fruits of the spirit. So what you have to do is be the best damn husband! I'm sure you already are, but be more.More kind, loving, romance her, and don't ever become angry or short, do well beyond your share of the chores, have dinner ready for her coming in, you know what I mean. If she goes to the meeting without you, she's got the perfect man to come home to! In time you can 'win her without a word'.
the above is such beautiful advice and is totally going to be my approach. If you love your wife as much as I love mine this approach will be the least traumatic for her and us as husbands. My chest feels tight as we speak because of the perpetual suspense about not knowing how my wife will react. I personally have a mix of ellation of mental and emotional freedom from guilt and worthlessness. I hope this will keep me going. On the other hand my heartache at the thought of losing the love of my life over a damn silly religious doctrine kills me inside. It physically hurts the anxiety is so intense. I guess this is part of the process. I will not fight it but continue to experience it without resistence because that will just cause more dissonance. I totally didn't mean to rymn there :P :D Please CO do me a favor and contact me when your feeling alone helpless or otherwise. We can encourage eachother in this trauma we both face. I'd love to get to know you better so please PM me.
Dontplaceliterature said: One of the best pieces of advice I received was to TAKE MY TIME. You've spent a long time in the cult, so don't just rush out wrecklessly if you think you have a legitimate opportunity to save anyone you love. Also, be sure you are actually convinced. If you aren't, you may go running back and become more locked into the cult than before.
This is totally right. My family has been in JW for 2 generations and I was a born-in till my apostate mother took me away from it for a while. I came back to in my preteens and then a few years in my teen years before I totally went nutz in the Rave Neohippie thing that was so prevelent in the late 90's. I did lots of drugs and did LSD which artificially broke down walls of the mind. I got into mysticism but never dealt with the indoctrination and dogma. I viewed myself as evil and satans menion and with this mindset you set yourself up for some very self distructive behavior while not dealing with any of the issues which helped start it all. I'm bipolar which doesn't help but if you mix JW and bipolar you get KAH RAAAZZZZZZY! I saw it happen to my mother.
Because I never dealt with the issues I had deep inside my Dad eventually got me to study at a very low point in my life. He reluctantly let me into his home again saving me from my homelessness. He guilttripped me horribly till his worldy wife told him to stop being such a dick. My stepmother is a saint in my book and I hope she never buys into it. So of course I get super into the JW fantasy again.
It's funny though because life really is a broken road just like that country song of the same name. If I hadn't come back I might actually have killed myself with Meth and Coke. I wouldn't have met the love of my life either. So now I've come full circle and getting out for the right reasons.
I hope all this helps. It certainly helped me to verbalize it. It's part of the healing process.
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Absurd WT Control in April 2012 KM
by LostGeneration inyeah in the section on attending the convention, you will find this gem:.
"therefore, we should give attention to our dress and grooming while in the convention city, including when we check in at the hotel.
arriving in shorts and a t-shirt would not reflect dignity.".
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thecrushed
Are sh*ttin me! I guess I missed that part in the KM because I try not to read that crap if at all possible. It makes my brain hurt and kills my creativity but I guess that's what it's supposed to do. Seriously no shorts! It was already ridiculas enough that I used to wear a suit in the middle of summer while sweating my ass off on the literature before I handed it to the householder. WOW
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Sad news Re: Menlo Park Congregation
by Devil_Fish init saddens me to inform you that ruth edwards has passed.
ruth was a long time member of the menlo park congregation.
when the letter was read that indicated that john cobb, jason cobb, walter st. clair, and george stock had been removed from their post as elders, ruth fainted and needed to be taken to the hospital.
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I'm sure they will bite if we all push for it and let them know how it is a Cult! It's got some strikingly similar paterns to Scientology. When the shoot themselves in the foot they downplay it and act like its Satans attack on them. I just got an email from an active brother about the mess in Menlo Park and he doesnt even see the corruption at all. Blinders, Gotta luv em! >:D
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I Write Some Poetry Myself
by marion_nett ini've enjoyed frenchy's poems so much, i thought since this forum seems to have hit a lull, i might share one that i wrote several years ago when my 17 year old son left home (and the "truth") - and broke my heart.. he is a very bright and introspective young man, a poet heavily into dylan, lennon, and all those anti-establishment heroes of oddly enough my generation.
minstrel song.
where are you now, o minstrel son -.
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I wrote some lyrics for a song I haven't written the music to yet. I hope it moves at least someone here.
Screaming into silence trying to hide from myself.
Hard to stand up when you’re changing the balance
You know you’re my whole world and a sword through the heart
When you look at me that way.
So why don’t you say what you wan to to say
it’s all I black serenade and dried blood stain
This love is killing me but it’s hard to resist
Animal passions and wild hearts burn
Candle light is dancing in the shadow
Red wine and the scent of your pillow
Telling me you are crazy over me.
I wanted to believe that the rage is gone
but it’s clear that your screaming in silence
Just like me, Just like me
no use to go onnnnnn like this
Just makes me wanna ruuun away
come on baby give me one last kiss
the way you had me, I was blown away*I'll make a thread for this one when my 24 hr quota is up :P
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I Write Some Poetry Myself
by marion_nett ini've enjoyed frenchy's poems so much, i thought since this forum seems to have hit a lull, i might share one that i wrote several years ago when my 17 year old son left home (and the "truth") - and broke my heart.. he is a very bright and introspective young man, a poet heavily into dylan, lennon, and all those anti-establishment heroes of oddly enough my generation.
minstrel song.
where are you now, o minstrel son -.
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Your poem is awesome by the way. I can see your talent and work put into it. Great JOB!
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A new member of the thinking class
by Captain Obvious inthis is my first post on this forum, though it feels like i already know some of you here.
i have been lurking for a couple of months now, and i must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum i have ever seen on any forum of any kind.
i am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. we had a somewhat classic jw upbringing... which i now know has been our biggest problem.
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I'm new to this forum too but haven't done all that sort of research. I come at it from the evolution is fact and therefore all this religion stuff is total delusional BS! Don't get me wrong it's completely reasonable to still believe in a God. Obviously Evolution of the Universe was sparked by something right? My first posts are here. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/224196/1/Introduction-My-life-and-Crisis http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/224314/1/Suggestions-to-get-my-wife-and-I-out
I wanted to do exactly what you did. I wanted to just tell her that its all BS because she senses I simply just don't give a rats ass about going to meetings and service anymore. For now I'm silent and waiting for the right time and words. I used to see all worldly people as the walking dead. Now I see all the poor souls at the KH as the walking dead.
Welcome to the Forum! I feel we have a connection already. We have very similar circumstances concerning our wives. Please feel free to contact me on Skype. I'll send you a PM with the username. I'm an Undercover brother right now.
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Sad news Re: Menlo Park Congregation
by Devil_Fish init saddens me to inform you that ruth edwards has passed.
ruth was a long time member of the menlo park congregation.
when the letter was read that indicated that john cobb, jason cobb, walter st. clair, and george stock had been removed from their post as elders, ruth fainted and needed to be taken to the hospital.
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I have one scripture that I think is pertinent here. http://bible.cc/matthew/7-16.htm matthew 7:16 sums the whole scandels and coverups section up quite nicely I think!
Has anyone ever thought about going on IRC and urging the Anonomous Hacker group that hates Scientology to go hack the sh**t out of jw-media.org, watchtower.org , and jw.org ? Am I being to vendictive?
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I've been thinking of calling my Mother who is bipolar I and DF'd Apostate. She pleaded with me in tears to not get baptised and go back to JW's but I didn't listen. I haven't spoken to her in 8 or 9 years. I spoke to my half sister about her on Facebook and she said she just had another episode. She left college to go take care of her. She must hate me for not helping her. Actually my entire family on my mother's side is DF'd or fell away and I've ignored them for so very long. Now I'm on the edge of tears just thinking about it. I hope that my family on that side forgives me.
THANX A LOT WTBTS!
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Something about the end of the current system of things they can't pony up to...
by okage in1975 was approaching and for years the society demanded the belief that god instructed these men of bethel to declare 1975 as the date for the end.
they talked about it in conventions.
they supported it in many of their publications.
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thecrushed
I remember reading this and becoming inflamed with anger over it. I'm friends with an elderly couple at the hall that went through that 1975 dibacle. They sold there house and possessions and went out to regular pioneer till the end came. They nearly went broke. They of course thought it was just there fault. This BS has ruined and rotted my whole family and destroyed my life as well. I'm not even so sure my bipolar would have shown its ugly head if I hadn't been Born in to this Cult. When I was a teen my parents never encouraged education. I didn't even bother to take my SAT because of it.