A new member of the thinking class

by Captain Obvious 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • Captain Obvious
    Captain Obvious

    This is my first post on this forum, though it feels like I already know some of you here. I have been lurking for a couple of months now, and I must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum I have ever seen on any forum of any kind.

    I am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. We had a somewhat classic JW upbringing... Which I now know has been our biggest problem. I was never a super dub, just kind of floated along, never commented, roughly 3-6 hrs/ month in servo, never motivated to progress "spiritually". My work keeps me from over half of the meetings, but it never botched me. I always felt a measure of guilt for not doing more, but apparently not guilty enough. In the back of my mind, there were always nagging thoughts. I have thought about the teachings that don't quite jive with the bible, but assumed the GB must know what they're doing. I never took the time to really research what it is that we actually teach, or "make the truth my own" as they say.

    I decided probably 6 months ago that I would study our doctrine and history with a completely objective view, and an open mind. I would look at as many sides of each argument as was possible, and form an opinion based on as much information as I could find. I had come to despise the attitude I see with dubs today, we have all the answers, we know it all.

    Well it doesn't take too much research sans the WT to see that 607 and 1914 have NO place being mentioned with the bible, and that is the foundation of the WT house of cards. It all falls down from there. I started writing all my findings in a notebook, and it now has many more notes than I have ever taken at any assembly. I now see the hypocrisy, and it makes me sick.

    The problem: I can't seem to get through to my wife. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. She knows I have been researching like crazy, and have come across many things that lead me to doubt that it is the truth. Of course I don't tell her that I don't see truth, I see CULT. She has been amazingly supportive and patient with me through all of this, which led me to wonder if she possibly felt the same way. She rhetorically asked me a few weeks ago if I wanted to be a witness anymore, I said... Well, no! Honey, it's all bullshit. Top to bottom, front to back, bullshit.

    She looked at me like I was some kind of monster. She started balling worse than I have ever see her, claiming that Satan is influencing me, and Jehovah knows it. She said she would rat me out to the local elders, because I can't live a lie for my family. I have never seen her so hysterical. I told her I was not ready to make a decision, I still need to do more research, and if I need to I'll talk to the elders myself. We have talked briefly about it a couple times (more tactfully) since, but she goes on WT defensive autopilot immediately, and I can see the door for me to get through other closing with every conversation. I think it frustrates her that I have not seen the light and "come back to Jehovah" yet. She has agreed that if it truly is the truth, it will stand up to any examination, no matter how thorough. She knows I am smart, smart enough to see facts and see through rhetoric and propaganda. She has told me that. I just think she doesn't like considering the possibility that it isn't the truth, and I honestly don't think she could handle the thought of the consequences of either or both of us leaving the bOrg.

    Upon some more insightful discussions with her, it turns out that she really knows less about the JW doctrine than I thought. Nobody ever studied with her directly, and she has never had a decent personal study routine. She thinks it's okay for some people to disagree with some teachings, and denied ever hearing about several other doctrinal teachings we are supposed to be spreading. I suppose it's partly my fault for not being a better "spiritual head". She has agreed to do more personal research as our family study time, but has yet to start doing any reading.

    I love my wife with my whole being, and could live without contact with my family of I had to, but not her. I don't want to think about the problems me leaving the bOrg without her would cause. We would stay happily married of course, but it would hurt things. Ideally I would love for my parents to see the light too, but they have been in since the early 80's, I don't see it happening.

    I am about halfway through Crisis of Conscience (GOOD READ), and have downloaded Combatting Cult Mind Control for after (I hope it will help me get through to my family and wife), and I also have Captives of a Concept. I just need time to read all of them, though I have been spending a lot of my spare time lurking here, reading many amazingly insightful and informative threads. Without giving away too much incriminating info, I am a specialist in a very specific field, and am only called upon in an emergency, which leaves me with a lot of paid spare time to read so I hope to get through alot of these books shortly.

    I truly respect many of the members on here already, and I look forward to gaining more insight into this crazy situation we have all been put into. Hopefully I can lend my input where it is due as well.

  • TOTH
    TOTH

    Such a difficult position the truth puts us in. I'm pulling for you to reach your sweet wife.

    WELCOME to the forum!

  • stuckinamovement
    stuckinamovement

    Welcome! You will find friends here that know exactly what you are going through.

    SIAM

  • thecrushed
    thecrushed

    I'm new to this forum too but haven't done all that sort of research. I come at it from the evolution is fact and therefore all this religion stuff is total delusional BS! Don't get me wrong it's completely reasonable to still believe in a God. Obviously Evolution of the Universe was sparked by something right? My first posts are here. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/224196/1/Introduction-My-life-and-Crisis http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/224314/1/Suggestions-to-get-my-wife-and-I-out

    I wanted to do exactly what you did. I wanted to just tell her that its all BS because she senses I simply just don't give a rats ass about going to meetings and service anymore. For now I'm silent and waiting for the right time and words. I used to see all worldly people as the walking dead. Now I see all the poor souls at the KH as the walking dead.

    Welcome to the Forum! I feel we have a connection already. We have very similar circumstances concerning our wives. Please feel free to contact me on Skype. I'll send you a PM with the username. I'm an Undercover brother right now.

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    Welcome,

    You have entered a reality and your wife may not be ready for it at this point. We all had different circumstances that lead us to examining wts. Many ended with broken marriages due to wts. I don't know if there is a right answer to help you get through to your wife, but you can ask her to examine doctrine herself, for example 607BC doctrine. Get her to research that and see if she can come to the same conclusion as you had.

    Take it slow, and maybe one doctrine at a time. If she's not willing to read exJW books, get her to read Thy Kingdom Come which is Study in the Scriptures vol.3 by Russell. That is one interesting book when it comes to dates and the pyramid.

    If she's willing to read exJW, get Gentile Times Reconsidered by Carl Olof Jonsson as it destroys the 607BC date.

    Hope others have better suggestions.

  • Captain Obvious
    Captain Obvious

    Thank you all for your replies!

    Actually I do have the gentile times reconsidered downlo aded on our iPad, I'm hoping she'll stumble across it and at least give it's quick scan.

    As far as the old literature goes... I haven't length explained to her that Russell and Rutherford were both fit for a straight jacket, and that the GB idea didn't even form until the 60's contrary to what the current book study book would have you believe.

    She doesn't care. Like I said, the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

  • stuckinamovement
    stuckinamovement

    I recently shared with my wife Alfred's notes from the Finished Mystery. I actually borrowed the book from the KH library and brought it home. She looked at the notes and checked the accuracy in the book a couple of times. It took her about 20 minutes to go through it all. Afterwards she was silent, and hasn't mentioned it since. I could tell though that she was stunned.

    I think reaching our love ones is a process much like watering a garden. Low flow....slow and deep. Eventually the water reaches the roots, and then makes its way to the visible parts of the plant.

    Best wishes

    SIAM

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    First of all welcome! that is a tough spot you're in. I can honestly relate because I'm the same boat. My advise to you is just to hang in there and be patient.

    One of the tools I have found useful to get through to my wife is just to use points and inconsistencies from each weeks watchtower study as a springboard to open up a discussion. The articles a few months ago about holy sprirt was a good score. The key in these discussions i've learned is to keep my voice down and not get overly passionate which I tend to do. Two weeks ago I just showed my wife the 5/74 KM on the CD-ROM after a conversation about the "last days" which stated this:

    Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.

    I couldn't have timed it better when she saw this she was very surprised. Lately she has started to make negative comments about the nonsense coming from the platform too; so I know I'm making progress. I just keep researching and try to be prepared to to counter the claims made in the WT to use it against itself. Blondie's WT comments in this forum really helps too. However you choose to it I wish you the best and hope you're free soon.

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    I never had the opportunity to help my jw family learn the truth about the "truth", because I was running for my life when I left the cult. But I've read in CCMC that Hassan advises to reach the pre-cult or non-cult personality and build on that. Although your wife is a born in, she has to have interests apart from the Watchtower. Start conversations with her when she's in that mode, and always ask her questions. You don't have to teach her anything. Make her prove the truth of the "truth".

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Welcome!

    Well, I suppose you already realize that my advice will be: Make sure that your wife knows that you love her unconditionally. Give her time. You're the one that's changing and growing, she doesn't seem to be ready for that yet.

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