No doubt--the borg is a cult. Mind control at its finest.
Lucky for me I understood that before I threw my life away.
james 1:5-8.
"so, if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking god, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.
but let him keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about.
No doubt--the borg is a cult. Mind control at its finest.
Lucky for me I understood that before I threw my life away.
lots of posts lately about oral sex.
natural or perverted?
normal or disgusting stuff?
In a moment of truth (and with a couple of martini's under his belt) my DF'd father told me the break up of his marriage to my mother was directly related to her refusal to do anything but "missionary." My mother would apparently try anything and then it dried up....literally!
He told me my mother, a staunch JW, would gladly "swing" before she became a JW. Then she got baptised and it was over. He was forced to seek release with other woman. They were divorced in 1975. He told me about 3 months ago.
I am debating whether or not to confront my mother and ask her for her side.
To anyone needing a class on 69, the latest Cosmopolitan magazine has a complete, fully detailed "how-to." Very informative and educational.
i am too young to know what actually happened before and during 1975, but you know said this to me, and i would like some more information.. quote.
are you completely ignorant of why many of jehovah's witnesses looked to the year 1975?
do you think it was just something someone made up?
Skimmer-you got it right!
I was 13 in 1975. School was not important. I was "big boned" (chubby) and was convinced that since the "new system" as coming I would be perfect and skinny.
To any JW's who are on this board- You can kiss my worldly/Swedish/Polish/Russian/Irish Ass!
is the wts view on women praying publically still the same as it was in the 70s?
the article "should you cover your head during prayer" watchtower 2/15/77 page 46 and a "question from readers" 6/15/77 are the last references i have to this particular jw custom.. has anything more recent been published?.
thirdson
Ha ha! I forgot about this. My mother always made my sister and I put napkins or paper towels on our heads. I can't believe I forgot until I read this.
She never had an explanation except that women should be subservient to men. Twisted logic!
do you ever feel like that?.
i,ve just attended my own funeral, well it might as well have been .. i'm now nonexistant in my former friends eyes.. they have to stay away , i'm a danger to them.. so i can now count on one hand how many friends i have 2 , including my wife.. the other friend has also left the truth but i dont see him much as he lives in another town .. so since i work on my own i'm going to be pretty lonely for a while .. no more weekends down the pub or staying down anyones house.. i wonder whats on telly.. er nothing..oh crap.. well there always next door cat i wonder if hes good at conversation..here kitty , kitty.
Hi Sleepy!
Please don't let those JW's get you down. They are not true friends. Or family.
I do not have many friends either. I have been out for almost 20 years and I do believe, as KENUK noted, that is has to do with trust. It is hard to turst. However, it is hard for "worldlies" to understand the JW experience. Try explaining that you never trimmed a christmas tree, or sent a birthday card to someone. I recently did (christmas tree) and a good friend was appalled. I thought she understood that I had never done it. My JW family stays away. I can live with that. All they talk about is the "new system."
Please realize that friends will be made in time. It is hard. I will not give advice, since I do not have too many friends. However, If I, a shy, timid person can make them, you can too. Every month out it gets better and better.
i just came across this site not too long ago and have been reading the stories.
i am filled with relief and at the same time frustration mixed with tears, because i have been holding my story in and not sharing it with anyone, except my husband.
i have felt many of the feelings expressed here but was afraid to say them out loud for fear of being an 'apostate'.
Hi Tera!
Welcome to the board. I am glad that you found the strength to not get baptized.
My story is very similar. My mother got involved with the JW when I was 4, in 1966, got my weak father into it; he started drinking-she called him an alcoholic. He ended up leaving in very similar circumstances. You could be my sister. She too was cute and dated worldly guys. Got pregnant at 18. My mother used to beat us the same way! Very scary. My sister even wanted to go to college for journalism!
I hope you go on to college. I did and graduated at age 37. It was worth the time and sacrifice.
Good luck and welcome to the board. If you are my sister, e-mail me! You have the address!
T
"Is he porking her now?! He must have his dick dipped in steriods!"
From The Commitments
well, the year is nearly out, and as the new one approaches i'm thinking back on 2 years of being in the online exjw community and, in june 2002, my four year anniversary of my df'ing.. when first i came to h2o seeking comfort and support in january 2000, i had been df'd for a year and a half and online nearly 4 years but never had the guts to type "jehovah's witnesses" into a search engine.
that search led me to freeminds (thanks, randy *hug*) and then, to h2o.. what a journey its been.
i've gone from devastation at losing my family, to anger, through the anger to numbness, back through sadness, and now after much soul searching and a chance change of circumstances last summer, come to look at my disfellowshipping in an entirely new light.. those who know my history know that i was born into the borg, baptized at 12, married at 19, and was a very loyal, unquestioning dub until the age of 24 when the elders told me that my miscarried babies had no status with god.
Esmeralda Hello!
Wonderful post and insight. You stated, as so many posters previous to me have, my life experience also.
Your insight into the drone, non-thinking way is true. I recently saw cousins at a funeral and all they could talk about was seeing our recently departed relative in "the new system."
They are confounded by my lack of belief and refusal to be sucked in and made to feel guilty for leaving.
You wrote a great essay. Thanks!
i was having a discussion last nice about these things.. i went out about a half hour after my dissing waas announced and got a tattoo.. who else has gotten tattos, or body piercings, or any type of body modificatoins done since leaving?.
kisses!.
sky
My mother refused to let me get my ears pierced when I was about 11. I visited her sister for a week that summer and convinced her it was crucial to my self-esteem to have pierced ears. She agreed to do it for me.
She did not have rubbing alcohol to sanitize the lobes so she used Jack Daniels. She rubbed it on my ear lobes, took a sewing needle, threaded with heavy duty polyester thread, and used a cork on the back side. She aimed and stuck me. It was quite painful!
My lobes got infected and gooey for the whole week. I had to keep rubbing Jack Daniels on them. When I got home my mother was horrified. What were the elders going to say?! Only catholics got their ears pierced (her thinking-not mine). I kept the threads in for three weeks and my great-grandmother gave me a pair of gold earrings. I still have them.
Anyway, while in college I decided to get a tatoo. I got drunk, drove to the tatoo parlor, walked up and pussied out. I became totally terrified of the pain and drove off. After the ear-piercing incident, I don't think it would have been that bad. I wish I had.
all of us know how patricharcial the watchtower society (and most fundamentalist religions) is.
men pretty much "run the show", there probably are things a two year old "brother" would probably get to do before a poineer sister can.
because the sister is a female(maybe .
I have to respond....
My mother, a 3rd gen JW, was very liberated, considering it was the 60's. She questioned everything my father and the elders did. She was an outspoken critic of the elders. This did not breed good will. With the elders or my father.
Long story short, she got DF'd for fornication, after parents divorced. She strongly encouraged college and not being dependent on any man. At the same time, I was going to the KH being told that as soon as I could marry, I would be "in subjection." My mother is reinstated and quiet now. She does not question the elders or why she is treated like an idiot. They have finally sapped the energy and vibrancy from her. It is scary.
I do not claim to have answers. I do have opinions. As I recently told my mother, I hate the JW's. The split message I received at home and at the KH really messed up my thinking. On one hand, I do not want to be "in subjection", on the other hand, I have an inferiority complex that I would guess many JW females harbor.
This type of treatment of women has been brought to light with the Taliban. I liken the JW to them, as many posters here have.