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  • jayhawk1

    I am too young to know what actually happened before and during 1975, but You Know said this to me, and I would like some more information.

    Are you completely ignorant of why many of Jehovah's Witnesses looked to the year 1975? Do you think it was just something someone made up? Even most XJW's know that the 1975 fiasco had a foundation in Biblical chronology. That's what made it seem credible in the minds of those who greatly respected the authority of the Scriptures. All such speculation had some basis in Bible chronology. That's what makes the charge of false prophet ludicrios. It was a misunderstanding of chornology and prophecy. As I pointed out, the apostles fell into the same pitfall. As for your other questions, I will give them a read and comment tommorrow as I find the time. / You Know

    What does any of this mean?

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • ISP

    Understanding YK's stuff is never easy...

    The '75 fiasco was grounded on chronology based on the creative day periods of 7000 years starting with the last day which begun with Adam.....and the 6000 year would have been in '75.

    It gave an otherwise flagging cult a shot in the arm. The figures worldwide shot up...but the damage was done. Most of us here were indirectly or directly snared by the falsehood. There is plenty of stuff on '75. You can do a search on the CD-ROM by inputting '1975' and you will get most references to it.


  • jayhawk1

    The Society's CD-ROM is for PC machines. I am running a Macintosh, so it is useless for me. I have seen what the society has said on the Freeminds site, but what does the people that were alive back then feel.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • KenUK

    My parents really believd 1975 was THE year. I was encouraged to get baptised that year (September appropriately as 6000 years were up (from memory) on October 3/4 that year).

    My parents told me I would never leave school, never take exams, never get a job, never get married, never have children and of course never die in this system... Only the dying part left to do now!

    I remember a number of my parents friends leaving the "truth" the following year..

  • ISP

    I've got loads on '75...but you might be better to search this board. You should get some info that way. Check out the 'Search' function.



    Hey Jayhawk,Its all bullshit thats why you can`t make any sense of it.I lived through all of this,and it was all gonna happen just like WBTS said,up until they got new light.I believe that was at the stroke of midnight JAN.01 1976.LOL..Also check out Randy and Kents sites they have a lot of information on this.Oh yeah,If you disagreed with anyone before 1975,about the end of the world in 1975,you would get the boot.Anything the WBTS says,is the word of GOD until they say it isn`t.Then its just a misunderstanding because they got new light from God,and anyone who says different will get the boot.In any case its just new light(a new lie)after new light(a new lie)after..I think you get the picture..HAPPY NEW YEAR JAYHAWK...OUTLAW

  • Satanus


    The book w the 1975 bomshell was life in freedom of the sons of god. Wouldn't you know it, it's not on the wt cdrom. However, i have one of those wt error cds compiled by somebody. It's in pdf format. I converted the info to text and here it is...


    Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God,
    1966 ed., p. 29
    “According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six
    thousand years from man’s creation will end in
    1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of
    human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E.”

    Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God,
    1966 ed., p. 30
    “It would not be by mere chance or accident but
    would be according to the loving purpose of
    Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the
    ‘Lord of the sabbath,’ to run parallel with the
    seventh millennium of man’s existence.”

    The Watchtower, May 1, 1967, p. 262
    “Interestingly, the autumn of the year 1975 marks
    the end of 6,000 years of human experience. This
    is ascertainable from reliable chronology preserved
    in the Bible itself. What will that year mean for
    humankind? Will it be the time when God executes
    the wicked and starts off the thousand-year reign of
    his Son Jesus Christ? It very well could, but we
    will have to wait to see. Yet of this we can be
    certain: the generation that Jesus said would
    witness those events is nearing its close. The time
    is close at hand. On God’s “timetable” we are in
    the closing days of a wicked system of things that
    will soon be gone forever. A glorious new order is
    immediately before us.”

    Kingdom Ministry, March 1968, p. 4
    “There are only about ninety months left before
    6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is
    completed... The majority of people living today
    will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks

    The Watchtower, May 1, 1968, p. 271
    “Thus, Adam’s naming of the animals and his
    realizing that he needed a counterpart would have
    occupied only a brief time after his creation. Since
    it was also Jehovah’s purpose for man to multiply
    and fill the earth, it is logical that he would create
    Eve soon after Adam, perhaps just a few weeks or
    months later in the same year, 4026 B.C.E. After
    her creation, God’s rest day, the seventh period,
    immediately followed.”

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, p. 494
    “What about all this talk concerning the year 1975?
    Lively discussions, some based on speculation,
    have burst into flame during recent months among
    serious students of the Bible. Their interest has
    been kindled by the belief that 1975 will mark the
    end of 6,000 years of human history since Adam’s
    creation. The nearness of such an important date
    indeed fires the imagination and presents unlimited
    possibilities for discussion.”

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, p. 499
    “One gets a total of 5,993 years, come this autumn,
    since Adam’s creation. That means, in the fall of
    the year 1975...”

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, p. 499
    “Are we to assume from this study that the battle of
    Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of
    1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign
    of Christ will begin by then?...Why not? Because
    after his creation Adam lived some time during the
    “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would
    need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to
    determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year
    period or ‘day’ ended, and how long Adam lived
    into the ‘seventh day.’ And yet the end of that sixth
    creative ‘day’ could end within the same Gregorian
    calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve
    only a difference of weeks or months, not years.”

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, p. 500
    “One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology
    reinforced with fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that
    six thousand years of man’s existence will soon be
    up, yes, within this generation!”

    The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, p. 501
    “To the contrary, it is a time when one should be
    keenly aware that the end of this system of things is
    rapidly coming to its violent end...Even if one
    cannot see beyond 1975, is this any reason to be
    less active?”

    Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 14
    “There is another way that helps confirm the fact
    that we are living in the final few years of this “time
    of the end.” (Dan. 12:9) The Bible shows that we
    are nearing the end of a full 6,000 years of human
    history. What significance does this
    have?...Revelation chapter 20, verse 6, shows that
    God’s heavenly kingdom will rule over the earth for
    one thousand years after the end of this system of
    things...The seventh one-thousand-year period
    could be likened to the seventh day, the sabbath, of
    that week...How fitting it would be for God,
    following this pattern, to end man’s misery after six
    thousand years of human rule and follow it with His
    glorious Kingdom rule for a thousand
    years...According to reliable Bible chronology,
    Adam and Eve were created in 4026 B.C.E...That
    seven-year period will evidently finish in the
    autumn of the year 1975.”

    Kingdom Ministry, June 1969, p. 3
    “In view of the short time left, a decision to pursue
    a career in this system of things is not only unwise
    but extremely dangerous...Many young brothers
    and sisters were offered scholarships or
    employment that promised fine pay. However, they
    turned them down and put spiritual interests first.”

    The Watchtower, October 15, 1969, pp. 622-623
    “More recently earnest researchers of the Holy
    Bible have made a recheck of its chronology.
    According to their calculations the six millenniums
    of mankind’s life on earth would end in the midseventies.
    Thus the seventh millennium from man’s
    creation by Jehovah God would begin within less
    than ten years...the arrival of the seventh
    millennium of man’s existence on earth suggests a
    gladsome change for war-stricken
    humankind...peaceful reign of a thousand years...his
    thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in
    a series of thousand-year periods or
    millenniums...Soon now six millenniums of his
    wicked exploiting of mankind as his slaves will
    end...Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of
    mankind’s laborious enslavement under Satan the
    Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher
    in a Sabbath millennium for all his human
    creatures? Yes, indeed!”

    Aid to Bible Understanding, 1971 ed., p. 333
    “Total time period form Adam’s creation to the
    present year, 1969, C.E.: 5,994 years.”

    Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3
    “Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes
    and property and planning to finish out the rest of
    their days in this old system in the pioneer service.
    Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time
    remaining before the wicked world’s end.”

    The Watchtower, May 1, 1975, p. 285
    “Another speaker, F.W. Franz, the Society’s vicepresident,
    forcefully impressed on the audience the
    urgency of the Christian preaching work. He
    stressed that, according to dependable Bible
    chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end
    this coming September according to the lunar
    calendar...Does this mean that we know exactly
    when God will destroy this old system and establish
    a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we
    do not know how short was the time interval
    between Adam’s creation and the creation of Eve,
    at which point God’s rest day of seven thousand
    years began. (Heb. 4:3,4) But, he pointed out, ‘we
    should not think that this year of 1975 is of no
    significance to us,’ for the Bible proves that
    Jehovah is ‘the greatest chronologist’ and ‘we have
    the anchor date, 1914, marking the end of the
    Gentile Times.’”

  • Farkel


    I was 18 in 1966 when the "Life Everlasting" book was released. From that time forward, 1975 was just about the ONLY major thing we talked about. Here is an excerpt from my life story which sums up the mood of the day:

    The Fervor Over 1975

    If anyone reading this was not in the Organization in the late 60's and early 70's, and has been told that most Brothers and Sisters at that time were over-zealous and speculative about what was to happen in 1975, don't believe it. I was there through it all.

    When such new and unprecedented directives were given to the publishers about such things as a set length of six months for conducting Bible studies, which afterwards we must "cut off" the would-be sheep if they had not yet decided to get baptised, what else were we to think? The "end" must be at hand, just around the corner, must it not? The Society was doing everything in its power to convince us that THIS time, for SURE, Armageddon was just around the corner.

    When such statements as "this involves a matter of weeks" and "just think Brothers, only 90 are months left before….", were published, what else were we to think?

    When the Kingdom Ministry relates the reports of brothers and sisters selling everything they owned to pioneer, and then states something like, "certainly…this is a fine thing to do in the remaining short….", what else were we to think. Jehovah was directing his Organization thorough His Holy Spirit, was he not?

    A young brother I knew and who was only 25 at the time, told the Elders in our Congregation that he would soon lose his teeth if he did not get them fixed very quickly. He preferred to let Jehovah fix them since the New Order was so close. Well, what did the Elders say? Did they ask him to use restraint, to use caution, to not put too much emphasis on 1975? No, they did not. What else were we to think?
    When graphs are published which outlines each millennium, and puts the beginning of the 7th millennium right smack in the fall of 1975, what else were we to think?

    When, at every corner in the literature, we see the words "trustworthy", and "reliable" Bible chronology regarding the year 1975, what else were we to think?

    When we see great influxes of new Witnesses joining the flock, in apparent fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the years just preceding 1975, what else were we to think?

    When we knew full and well that the joyous excitement among the brothers and sisters regarding 1975 would of COURSE filter it's way back to the Governing Body, and yet we saw no hard evidence of the Society "putting the breaks" on our expectations, what else were we to think?

    No, gentle reader, we witnesses at that time were not out-of-control, wildly speculating and jumping to conclusions on our own. We acted in accordance with what was fed to us. We were cleverly seduced by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and acted in accordance with that seduction. We were seduced in a manner similar to the way Eve was seduced by Satan in the Garden of Eden. That is as fitting an analogy as I can come up with.

    Fortunately, I did not stick around long enough to see it when several years later the WTBS turned around and betrayed their own brothers by accusing THEM of jumping to conclusions, by saying such hypocritical things as "No, we did not say that".

    Contrary to what is now taught, most of us were very sincere about trying to glean from the Society's publications what 1975 was to be all about. We eagerly awaited every magazine, and poured over every single word, and honestly did not try to "make more" out of what was written than what was actually written.


  • Thirdson


    You said:

    My parents told me I would never leave school, never take exams, never get a job, never get married, never have children and of course never die in this system... Only the dying part left to do now!
    I could have said exactly the same. I was baptized in 1975 in a swimming somewhere in Wolverhampton. I have a kid who will be going to college in four years time. As for the dying part my parents attended a funeral this week for one long time JW in an old UK congregation. My dad told me this week that a "sister" I knew (wife of the former PO of my last UK cong) has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. Her husband who is in his mid-70s is also showing signs of the disease. He was raised as a JW and lived through WW2 expecting the end "any day now." "The end" for so many will be their own natural deaths. I expect my end to be the same but I don't live life in a dream anymore.


  • JeffT

    In the fall of 1972 I started an informal study with a college friend who had become a dub that year (his mother was JW). The following spring I started a more formal study and was baptized in November 1973. EVERYBODY was talking about 1975. I passed up a chance to go to grad school because the end was so close. One guy in our hall sold his farm so he could pioneer full time for the last couple of years. (He went bankrupt and had a nervous breakdown a few years later.)

    The WT likes to talk about how some people sort of ran ahead over this, but I was there and I know that the CO's and up were pouring gasoline on the fire. NOTHING was said about not speculating about time until at least the summer of 1975.

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