Posts by QuiteRational

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The Last Days and the Bible's Responsibility to Prove Itself

by freshcrepes in

according to the watchtower's interpretation of the bible, we live in a time of unprecedented importance.

the current system is likely to end in our lifetime, and as the end draws closer the need to for the world to accept the bible becomes more urgent.. we are also in a unique time in that billions of people have the risk of eternal destruction upon death.

as i understand it, the billions who have and will die before armageddon will get an 'auto-resurrection' after armageddon (save a few in god's bad books) but those who die at armageddon are gone forever.

QuiteRational

But it does! The circle of the earth means it's round and blah blah, sorry I can't do it.

There are plenty of apologists who are already trying to fit the bible into science, most notably YouTube apologist and twat extraordinaire VenomFangX.

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WHO WILL TEACH US THE TRUTH?

by The Searcher in

8/15p.23par.14unitedfruitbearers just as the anointed "branches" of the "true vine" must remain in union with christ, the "other sheep" must remain in close union with "the faithful and discreet slave," christs anointed "brothers.

" only thus can they hope to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.

w838/15p.24par.16unitedfruitbearersthe facts indicate that this grafting in went on until the mid-1930s.

QuiteRational

Very true, Terry.

It's incredible how people will still insist on believing the bible after being part of the JWs. It's like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The only way we can find out what is true is by getting informed. Information comes from only one source: the honest and rational inquiry we call science. If scientific evidence discards the bible... fucking dismiss the damn book already! Don't insist on forcing a round peg in a square hole. Throw everything you know overboard and start back from the basics.

Pick up a WT publication - see the logical fallacies and untruths contained within. Discard.

Pick up the Quran - see the empty proze and unsubstantiated claims on the divine. Discard

Pick up a book on homeopathy - see the pseudoscience and evidenceless claims contained within. Discard.

Pick up a basic textbook on biology - see everything is independently verifiable. Verify. Learn.

That is where truth lies.

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thoughts

by isaacaustin in

throwing this out to the board for input.

my father will be giving his first public talk shortly.

i was shocked by the audacity to be asked to come to his public talk, being told i don't have to believe or come back but can simply come to show my support for him.

QuiteRational

Why go?

Seriously, is there any reason you should be there to support him as he's giving long, drawn out bullshit talks? What makes someone else feel good is not always the right thing to do.

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Theists - Please Explain This.......

by AK - Jeff in

and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

" or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

QuiteRational

So apparently, the reference to the animals that died in the 10th plague were pets and domestic animals living inside. Thus the reference is not really to "cattle" but to "household domestic animals". Thus the firstborn of any animals kept INSIDE the home were the ones that died; by contrast, the pets and domestic animals kept inside the homes of the Israelites who had blood on their doorposts are the ones that were spared.

Wrong. One is translated livestock; the other is translated cattle. Don't make shit up, please.

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Did the Global Flood of the Bible really happen? Please give evidence

by The Quiet One in

with todays public talk being about the global flood as a real event, please give any information/views that you have on this topic.

evidence either for or against is more than welcome.

thank you..

QuiteRational

We had the 'flood talk' at our KH a few months ago. The visiting brother had a diagram showing how the ark would not have been built on flat ground but against the side of hill. The reason? So Noah could walk underneath the ark and waterproof the bottom!

George

Wow, someone has clearly thought this whole ark business through! Clap clap clap.

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Reality setting in for Jehovah's Witnesses?

by MrDarkKnight in

when my friends and family try to "reason" with me about my decision to leave, i immediatley begin to question the interpretation of the so-called prophecy in the bible, i am getting the following consistent response:.

"it does not matter if the end comes in my lifetime.

i know i am doing god's will.".

QuiteRational

The shadow of death is always chasing us, yet our immortality is everpresent within our minds. This has not changed since the days of Paul I guess, when he went: "GOD IS TOTALLY NOT SLOW! JUST MERCIFUL! UH YEAH!" So people have had this attitude for the past 2000 years. Why stop now?

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Did the Global Flood of the Bible really happen? Please give evidence

by The Quiet One in

with todays public talk being about the global flood as a real event, please give any information/views that you have on this topic.

evidence either for or against is more than welcome.

thank you..

QuiteRational

Welcome QuiteRational! You're clearly an informed and intelligent poster, hope to hear more from you.

Why thank you, you probably will.

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watchtower.org Have you wondered...Do JW believe that their religion is the only right one? Doesnt say YES!!

by mP in

http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/article_08.htm#only.

do the witnesses believe that their religion is the only right one?anyone who is serious about his religion should think that it is the right one.

otherwise, why would he or she be involved in it?

QuiteRational

I don't know, I think the first sentence is a good answer.

"If you don't believe it, why the fuck are you seriously part of the religion, stupid?"

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Did the Global Flood of the Bible really happen? Please give evidence

by The Quiet One in

with todays public talk being about the global flood as a real event, please give any information/views that you have on this topic.

evidence either for or against is more than welcome.

thank you..

QuiteRational

It only makes sense that there are flood myths all over the world. People would usually settle near water because it allowed for easy transport, because they landed there by boat and because they had to drink too, of course. But such is the nature of bodies of water that they flood and villages are easily swept away.

What does not make sense, however, is a worldwide flood as described in the bible. What's more, the whole account is absolute nonsense. Why?

1. The ark itself is problematic. A boat that size could only hold if it was reinforced with iron, and Noah supposedly lived in the early bronze age; that means the vessel is out of the window.

2. Still the boat was too small. Don't forget, Noah supposedly took a pair of every kind of animal on the boat (or seven of some, depending on which of the two contradictory stories you read) so he had to fit them all on there. He would need food, fresh water, places for them to move around in (otherwise their muscles would atrophy). They would need enough resources for them to eat for a whole year. And if your solution is to assert there were few animals on board, that would require a superfast evolution any evolution-denialist would not touch with a ten foot pole!

3. The vast amounts of work involved. Remember I talked about food earlier? Yeah, it comes out too. There were only a eight people on the Ark who would all have to scoop shit for *hundreds if not thousands of animals*. That alone would have been a 24/7 job and you would still need more time.

4. The waters. The bible says that "all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered." (emphasis mine.) That's right, all mountains, under the whole heaven! That's mount everest too, at 8 km above normal sea level. Actually it's 8848 meters, but let's give them those 848 meters since it was so long ago. You know at which depth tropical coral dies? 50 meters. It would have died out. Just like every single fish because when salt water and sweet water mix in such a catastrophic event, nothing survives.

5. The waters. Seriously, 8 km. Think about that for a moment. In 40 days and 40 nights, it rained 8 km. Let's do a bit of maths here. 40 days/nights is 40x24 = 960 hours. If 8 km of water fell in 960 hours, that means 8.33 km/h (for the Imperialists here, that's 5.16 mph) or 2.3 m/s (7.56 ft/s). And that would have happened all over the world! Oh, by the way, a wooden boat supposedly survived that violence.

6. Plantlife. It died. All of it. You know how you can't give a plant too much water or it dies? No imagine submerging a plant in an 8 km high flood of salt and sweet water with violent torrents everywhere. Noah would've had to have those on the boat too, and take care of them. At least now we know some of the animal dung was used as fertilizer, eh? Let's just hope he had enough water for those plants left too. Where did he keep that anyway?

7. The aftermath. What do you suppose happened to the ground after it was all done? Animals would go outside, either promptly attacking each other for food in the case of the carnivores or eat some of the kept plants in ark in case of the herbivores. Noah must've had a huge job trying to cultivate all these plants and forests *all over the world* again and keeping them out of harms way against those pesky herbivores!

8. So I wonder who carried all these viruses and bacteria. Perhaps Noah carried the HIV and then Shem could have the ebola.

There is so much more to be said about this flood, including some physics on how all the water going from cloud-vapour to water would burn the planet to a crisp, but let's keep it with these simple proofs.

The global flood from the bible did not happen. Period.