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  Venting: Sometimes i absolutely hate my wife

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  don't get me wrong, i do love her.

  but when she goes into cult mode, i freaken hate her.

  i hate the person this pos religion has made her become.

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  JoenB75

  "to forgive is to suffer".
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  something funny happened on the way to November--

  by waton in

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  stude 138 this week is about jesus ruling; seen standing in heaven, sitting at the right hand, standing up for his people, sitting down again for judgement, riding ---but the portion, what he is actually biblical doing right now, col. 1:13 was never read or discussed.

  even the whole section of the book's article was not read!.

  next month jws are covering the land with their kingdom of 1914 and soon panda paradise saga, but will deaden into silence the ~ 2000 year old real possible kingdom of --- love.. was the whole chapter 138 read in your zoom room?

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  Very good point. Ever since the Ascension, Christ had a Kingdom with saints living in it. Colossians 1:13. The new heavens and earth
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  Is it because of Pride or Loyalty?

  by joey jojo in

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  2. experiences

  in a recent effort to entice me back to meetings, an elder friend gave me the example of his dad.. he said that his pioneer/elder/ex-missionary dad went through the anticipation and disappointment of 1975 and yet, he kept going faithfully for decades afterwards.

  the obvious point was that, if his dad can deal with disappointment, then, surely a nobody like me could do the same in regards to the scrapping of the 1914 generation doctrine, and all the other changes.

  his 'encouragement' was to tell me that it was only me that felt like this, everyone else is fine and have no problems with the changes.

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  I remember my dad often when considering doubt with old jw friends often said, well who else could possibly have the truth? I know No other. They were all woefully ignorant even of resembling groups. My father never got to use the internet despite formally being better educated than me. Clearly the internet has changed everything. Before the internet, a lot of knowledge was only avaible to specialists working in the particular field. The learned contempt for the English wiki is related to that issue
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  The Watchtower's Most Secret Book!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower's most secret book!.

  the truth that gives you eternal life, bethel edition.

  the truth that gives you eternal life was published on watchtower presses, and is not to be confused with the truth that leads to eternal life published by the watchtowerbible and tract society.

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  JoenB75

  Petra, amen all Christians are sons of God!
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  The Watchtower's Most Secret Book!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower's most secret book!.

  the truth that gives you eternal life, bethel edition.

  the truth that gives you eternal life was published on watchtower presses, and is not to be confused with the truth that leads to eternal life published by the watchtowerbible and tract society.

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  JoenB75

  I remember seeing this book somewhere years ago. It is straight forward Evangelical theology and if authentic, it must mean such a movement was within bethel. I think for anyone who had any sympathy with the Russell/JW worldview, the alarm bells would go off right away
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  I'm feeling cold

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i was a jw i would look to the bible or the wt society to answer all of my problems.. now as an older person i get cold in the wintertime and have trouble getting warm down to bad circulation.

  i found an answer in the bible at 1 kings 1:2, but i don't think my pimi wife will let me apply this bible principle.

  lol.

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  Brock Talon, Im sure they made her smell especially good.

  Yeah I suppose David has caused a lot of offense. I never experienced the combination of being a believer and being under legalism (my faith came after my JW experience), but David got off easy and is more a Conan the barbarian than a saint. On the other hand as a wretched sinner with my share of sins, I can sympatize with David and enjoy the grace given to him. If I was king oh man
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  JoenB75

  Sea Breeze,

  I asked for the traditional understanding of how people in general could die a second death. You said:

  "The point is, that from a consistent biblical point of view, a person cannot die a second time unless he is first made alive again through the reintegration of his soul, body and spirit, in a resurrection."

  In Revelation 20:12 we read "the dead were judged". It does not sound like it is the grand resurrection that makes them alive. In the traditional view, the spiritually dead die a second time, but they were never made alive. I am curious that you yourself say they are first made alive through being raised. I think the traditional view is that they are the spiritually dead simply die a second time because they dont cut it, they dont meet the requirements for being made alive. Forgetting tradition, we can easily find some that fits the bill of being made alive spiritually and then dying a second time and we not surprisingly finds it in other non pauline writings; Jude 12 and Hebrews 6:4-6.

  The only guy I recall ever trying to say the resurrection of the damned made them alive was Jonathan Edwards on1 Corinthians 15. But other reformed realized that was an ill digested thought. In general the traditional view is that 1 Corinthians 15 only adresses the saved.
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  Hunter Biden—Will He Affect The Election?

  by minimus in

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  i think he’s done incredible damage to biden.

  he must be in hiding in his dad’s basement too.

  i think this is the october surprise people have been wondering about.

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  JoenB75

  Vote Trump or get more democrazy chaos and insanity. Go Trump USA USA USA 😊
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  JoenB75

  Sea Breeze, how does the traditional position explain that there is a second death. How are people made alive a second time in order for them to die a second time?
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  JoenB75

  Of course I meant to say "so the ones who endure second death" in line 5-6