Posts by JoenB75

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

Everapostate,

I knew your game, you naugthy apostate. Anyway this is basic stuff even CT Russell addressed. I found this interesting collection of rabbinical lexical definations on olam;

· "long duration, antiquity, futurity: a. indefinite futurity , c. prep. for ever , always (= during the lifetime ); slave for ever ; serve for ever ; redemption at any time; ever pregnant (womb); of persecutors of Jeremiah; always at ease ; may the king live always ; so of the pious; I will sing for ever (as long as I live); other emotions and activities continuous through life. b. = continuous existence , (1) of things: the earth; other phr., heavens and contents, ruined cities, ruined lands or a witness for ever , in a book; (2) of nations: Babylon, of Judah; (3) families; the dynasty of Saul; house of Eli; (4) national relations: continual enmity ; of exclusion from; various relations; perpetual reproach , of dynasty of David, families ; of God’s covenant: everlasting covenant ; covenant with Noah ; God remembers it; will not break it, e. of God’s laws; temple to bear God’s name; consecrated; its ceremonies; Levit. priesthood; Aaronic priesthood. f. of God’s promises: his word; promised dynasty of David; of holy land; given, inherited; dwelt in; other blessings; Jerus. to abide" [BDB]

· "long time, duration , usually eternal, eternity, but not in a philosophical sense"…[HALOT]

· "1. everlasting, forever, eternity, i.e. , pertaining to an unlimited duration of time, usually with a focus on the future ( Ge 3:22 ); 2. ancient, old, i.e. , existing for a long time in the relative past ( 1Sa 27:8 ; Ps 119:52 ); 3. lasting, for a duration, i.e. , an undetermined duration of time without reference to other points of time, with a focus of no anticipated end, but nevertheless may have limits ( Nu 25:13 ; Jer 18:16 )" [Swanson, Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc. 1997, 2001]

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

EverApostate,

Well we can see that olam can not always be translated eternal. Then we can ask if they believed in the concept of eternal tme or if that came later in time? Anyway there are various scholary theories about that. It seems the new testament writers translated olam with aion and there is an interesting use of that especially in Romans 16:25

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

Finkelstein,

My main interest is in the new testament. I do not share the belief of JWs and other adventist related groups, that the two testaments are similar in importance. These groups also sometimes refer to Evangelicals as a new testament religion and I guess I am more page with them on that. Of course I do study some ANE religion like creation myths but my main interest is the Gospel, not the old covenant. The Israel I believe in is not the old testament one or that current middle eastern rouge state, but the Church. So it is a different theological world view than the one you were taught as JW.

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

EverApostate,

You said so. I dont think so. What did JW class teach you about the Hebrew word olam?

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Before cutting my hair my witness barber had to check with Bethel...really? Not a cult?

by Witness 007 in

i was balding and grey so i asked my witness barber friend to "just shave it all off" many brothers were doing the comb over which looked friggin stupid.

but oh no in the 1990's this was rebellious he had to call a brother we knew at bethel to see if it was ok. we got his ok to go ahead but at the time i could help thinking about the no beard rule and how controlled and cultish we were..

JoenB75

Older generations had very special attitudes to hair. It was a bit shameful to be bold and maybe they also thought it gave the publisher a rough look

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

Finkelstein,

I put much more emphasis on the new testament, the old testament belongs to a past covenant. But my general approach is that I believe in the power of God to do miracles. I was not there when Moses divided the red sea, but I unless the context tells me it is symbolic, I tend to take it at face value knowing that higher criticism and current scholarship make mistakes too. And yes, I am biased towards the Scriptures

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Dumb things JWs believed

by JimmyYoung in

i am not talking about the usual crap from the cult writings, but rather things idiots believed on their own.

maybe even helped on by the cult but not directly taught.

i knew an old man now long gone kunde in michigan.

JoenB75

Interestingly my father had a law degree but turned homeopath. Memories. Now I remember a brother gave a talk where he apparently attacked alternative medicine. After the talk my offended father was comforted by likeminded believers. So many believed that stuff

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Another silly Bible story....Joshua and the killing hailstones

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

◄ joshua 10:11 ►.

and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .

looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.

JoenB75

We can only marvel at the Sovereign will of God, The slaying of 185,000 enemy soldiers was nothing short of a miracle delievering his undeserving people.

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Dumb things JWs believed

by JimmyYoung in

i am not talking about the usual crap from the cult writings, but rather things idiots believed on their own.

maybe even helped on by the cult but not directly taught.

i knew an old man now long gone kunde in michigan.

JoenB75

Old paintings, especially those of crying children were bad to bring in.

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How to jw's handle Luke 6:32?

by carla in

all or nothing said this in a previous thread, "we were told the "identifying mark of true christians is this love among the brothers".

it was said in the thread about not being invited to things.. i have seen it many times in re: to jw's.

how do jw's handle luke 6:32 then?

JoenB75

They would probably say nothing could be more loving than timely discipline. Unless you are an apostate with s great hatred for Jehovah, this arrangement will coerce you to return to your loved ones, Jesus and most importantly Jehovah and his saving ark.