Allowing old testament symbolism, the new heavens and earth sounds so much like the current situation with saints and sinners that some have concluded we have been in them since AD 70.
JoenB75
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Only One Destiny for All Christians
by cofty inthe following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.
it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.
to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.
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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.
by jwfacts ini could not find mention of this before.
i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.
genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.
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JoenB75
Aion/olam is translated according to the translators understanding of the context. It usually means a long time.
Covenant cosmotology is biblical. Revelation 20:11 speaks of heavens and earth fleeing at the white throne. They are not literal.
I dont think the ancient Jews concerned themselves much with natural cosmotology.
There is a good paper here:
https://www.preteristarchive.com/2010_demar_2-peter-3-the-passing-away-of-heaven-and-earth/
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Only One Destiny for All Christians
by cofty inthe following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.
it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.
to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.
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JoenB75
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Only One Destiny for All Christians
by cofty inthe following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.
it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.
to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.
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JoenB75
Russell and the JWs are famous for picking verses that may imply something not taught in the Bible. Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth, hey we can use that as "evidence" of our 2 classes doctrine. However Paul does teach different rewards
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Earnest,
Were the Jews Arians? Did they believe that "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:21) had created the world? Where is this outragious doctrine taught?
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Were the JWs ever anywhere near a bona fide religion?
by punkofnice inthe religion/corporation has changed constantly since the start.
they appear more whacko than ever.. but, were the jws ever anywhere near a bona fide religion at any time?.
disclaimer: i think all religions are a scam.
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JoenB75
Sure he wanted to start a new religion like Joseph Smith. He was considered a prophet as well by his followers despite the much more careful attempts to conceal it. He was not the humble Bible student that merely saw a message he wanted to share with the world. The lack of humility and imaginations of own grandeur are striking
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Were the JWs ever anywhere near a bona fide religion?
by punkofnice inthe religion/corporation has changed constantly since the start.
they appear more whacko than ever.. but, were the jws ever anywhere near a bona fide religion at any time?.
disclaimer: i think all religions are a scam.
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JoenB75
No, Russell's vision is not in the Bible. It is not there, it russell-light created by the false prophet who was wrong about just about anything biblically speaking. Salvation has nothing to do with being taught and examined. That is ridiculous. He attacked universalists whom knew the biblically revealed answers that are far better.
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Were the JWs ever anywhere near a bona fide religion?
by punkofnice inthe religion/corporation has changed constantly since the start.
they appear more whacko than ever.. but, were the jws ever anywhere near a bona fide religion at any time?.
disclaimer: i think all religions are a scam.
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JoenB75
What mostly disturbed me about Russell was the datesetting with its hellbend certaincy, the unruly spirit that certainly did not give me peace and the disdain for biblical context. What especially surprises me to this day is how he got away with preaching the millennium as a place of learning and second chances without a shred of Bible evidence. It is clear he saw himself in competition with the universalists whom he condemned a few times as well. -
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Were the JWs ever anywhere near a bona fide religion?
by punkofnice inthe religion/corporation has changed constantly since the start.
they appear more whacko than ever.. but, were the jws ever anywhere near a bona fide religion at any time?.
disclaimer: i think all religions are a scam.
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JoenB75
When is a religion ever bona fide from the perspective that all religion is a scam. Russells religion was benevolent but still had elements to be considered wacko. When Rutherford took over and the movement got the jw name things got a lot worse. Systematic shunning and blood policy came after Rutherford though
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Where is the best comprehensive NWT error list?
by Jake101 inhi.
while there are many excellent web sites that explain a few jw nwt bible translation problems, are there any comprehensive lists of nwt scripture errors online please?.
thanks .
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JoenB75
To be fair it seems Evangelical and celebrity scholars condemned the NWT because of conservative and Evangelical beliefs. It becomes a sort of tagiya when you dont express clearly that the nwt translation of John 1:1 is grammatically possible but go against what you believe the Bible overall teaches.