He was created 3 times. Neither Russell nor JWs had a two natures teaching. So they would he was created as that spirit creature servant who created all other things, then he was created as a man in Mary (with a knowledge of his heavenly past) and finally he was created back to spirit creature as a resurrection from the grave. They argue his human existence was the ransom, therefore it/the body could not be raised.
JoenB75
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
DJhine,
Amazing. I can assure you that is not mainline catholic or protestant teaching ☺️. Conservative commentators may say it seems but it can not be.
Interesting info here:
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3/2020 WT Baptism Rigmarole
by neat blue dog inremember those pesky scriptures about 'put faith in jesus and you will be saved' & 'getting baptized without delay'?
well, in this time of the end ™ we know better, and the latest march 2020 study edition wt sums it all up:.
before you can get baptized, there are a few other things you need to do.
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JoenB75
The JWs and Christadelphians baptise into their doctrines. But in the Bible people are baptised and then assumably receive teaching
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Greta
by road to nowhere inthe daily wire.
facebook glitch reveals father, activist behind greta thunberg's facebook .... i'm not good at getting links right.
but this is interesting in light of greta supposedly doing things on her own according to dear old dad.
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JoenB75
Greta is simple being used by the antifas. Hitler, Mao etc also used young girls in their propaganda
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Ratigan350.
The JWs want Jesus to be a created angel and so they mess with the biblical Logos theology. Since 1953, the main character of the New Testament, our Lord and God, is not to receive worship according to the JW leaders. God has a different opinion in Hebrews 1:6, Philippians 2:11 etc. They teach this being that is supposed to have created all [other] things is "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13). Unable to find a teaching concerning this created being in the old testament, they must take Proverbs 8 out of context, it is a poetical story of wisdom vs. foolishness. It is very unlikely their guess is right, to put it mildly.
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Oh yes I can only imagine translation is very complicated. Good thing we have many versions in English. I remember the Christadelphians did not recommend the NIV despite its beautiful language. It has an Evangelical bias. One example is when the NIV in Phil 2:6 says "in the very nature God" and then the footnote gives the usual translation "in the form of God". Today having a Modalist understanding of God and believing the passage describes the incarnation of the very God, I would enjoy translation but in the old days I would believe it was a biased one. -
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Jesus said Truly I tell you This Day...
by JohnTron72 inadam was told not to eat from the tree of knowledge for upon the very day of eating from it, he would die.
i had someone say that god lied because, adam didn't die that day but, the scriptures say to god a day is as a thousand years so, since adam lived 900+ years after eating , he indeed died within god's view of a day.
methuselah the oldest to ever live 969 years still within god's set time of a day.
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JoenB75
Actually JW says creation might be billions of years old. But creationism is essentially reading a western mindset into the Bible. Rabbinal sources go about it a little differently
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
slimboyfat,
I wonder what you think it means that all things were made through the Son. You say Jesus is distinguished from the creator. I dont see the word creator in any of the verses you quote. God the Father and Jesus Christ are different revelations but they are certainly both the creator. If the Son was not the creator, what sense would it make to say all things were made through him. I suspect the reason for the language is Logos theology. Logos is the cause of all things and philosophically spoken of as something God possess.
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Luke 3:15 The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Messiah.
The context seems not to say "the people" were all Judea, but the people listening to John.
John 8:2 the same, it even says "all the people gathered around him", not Judea or the universe. It is just like someone says to me "did you eat the apples" and I reply "I ate them all".
Luke 4:1 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
"everyone" was obviously everyone in the synagogues. Like "I went to meet all the people in the Kingdom Hall".
Luke 11:37-41 While Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee asked him to dine with him, so he went in and reclined at table. The Pharisee was astonished to see that he did not first wash before dinner. And the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also? But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you.
If the pharisees where acting clean both inside and outside, they were clean all over. Everything is within context of the spoken subject.