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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

I'm not going to attempt to argue what books of the Jews were "inspired" or not. What I will suggest is recognizing that books like Tobit and Baruch and Psalms of Solomon were widely distributed and regarded as equal to books such as Daniel. As such they contribute much to understanding idiom and religious development. Ignoring the majority of written evidence will surely lead to erroneous conclusions.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

Tobit 13:5

He will afflict you for your iniquities,

but will have mercy on all of you.

He will gather you from all the nations

among whom you have been scattered. ... all who are prisoners.14:5 God will again have mercy on them and bring them back to the land of Israel. They will build the house again, but it will not be like the first until the appointed times will be completed.

Psalms of Solomon 2:19

For the nations reviled Jerusalem, trampling her down.

Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

Tobit 13:5

He will afflict you for your iniquities,

but will have mercy on all of you.

He will gather you from all the nations

among whom you have been scattered. ....14:5 God will again have mercy on them and bring them back to the land of Israel. They will build the house again, but it will not be like the first until the era when the appointed times will be completed

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Where do I go to change my password

by Tameria2001 in

i want to change my password for this site, but when i went to my profile page there was a place to change my e-mail address, bio, and gender, but nothing for my password.

where do i go to change my password?.

peacefulpete

Thanks. Seems the site is not working with chrome. The password is correct but it continues to say it's not. Anyway it works in edge.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

Tobit 14:5

But God will again have mercy on them and bring them back to the land of Israel. They will build the house again, but it will not be like the first until the era when the appointed times will be completed.* Afterward all of them will return from their captivity, and they will rebuild Jerusalem with due honor. In it the house of God will also be rebuilt, just as the prophets of Israel said of it.

Tobit was written in the 2nd century BCE, but, like Daniel, was cast in a setting centuries before. The author describes the destruction by Babylonians and return to Jerusalem as if they were prophecy. With the benefit of hindsight he was aware that the Temple was not fully rebuilt for decades after the return. He uses an expression "until appointed times are completed (fulfilled)" to suggest the delay was by God's providence.

The author of Luke saw a parallel with his time of apparent delay and apparently drew inspiration from this text and the repeated notion of appointed times from Daniel. So now we have a period of delay from the destruction of Jerusalem till the return of Jesus to usher in a golden age being inserted into the text of Mark.

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

While the "trampling" metaphor likely started with the book of Daniel (8:13), when Antiochus was the foreign enemy in focus and the Hasmoneans were the heroes that the author imagined would usher in the restoration of a golden age, now ironically the Hasmoneans are seen as apostate and worthy of destruction by the Romans. Pompey, the Roman general who lead this destruction in 63BCE) is soon felt to be too boastful, becomes due for punishment. The author of Ps of Solomon interprets his death in Egypt as a divine sign that the golden age of the Messiah is at hand.

2:26 And I did not wait long until God showed me his insolence, pierced, on the mountains of Egypt, more than the least despised on land and sea.

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His body, carried about on the waves in great insolence, and there was no one to bury, for he had rejected him in dishonor.

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He did not consider that he was a human, nor did he consider the hereafter.

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He said, "I will be lord of earth and sea, and he did not recognize that God is great, mighty in his great strength

Fast forward another 100 years or so and once again a late redactor of the Gospel known as Mark utilized the same idiom of nations trampling Jerusalem as a sign of a golden age for the pure. (Luke 21:24).

Interestingly this is combined with the idea of a delay in time as earlier discussed. This redactor (Luke) now lived decades after the book of Mark was written and disappointment was becoming a problem. He wove the trampling idiom with the concept of an intervening period that his readers were then experiencing.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

As I said months earlier : The writers of Daniel, Baruch, Enoch, Revelation etc. and the Gospels naturally had a narrow focus on recent events. Their world was unraveling, and they desired and anticipated divine intervention. Typological interpretation was the rage. To repeat that same point The writer of the Psalms of Solomon, writing just after the Roman response to the Hasmonean rebellion, similarly utilized the idea of divine retribution for religious apostasy via the agency of a foreign power, in this case Pompey in 63BCE. However in time this foreign agent becomes prideful and is eventually to be destroyed by God and the pure Jews are elevated.

Concerning Jerusalem.

2:1

When the sinner became proud, he struck down fortified walls with a battering-ram, and you did not prevent him.

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Foreign nations went up to your altar; in pride they trampled it with their sandals,

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because the sons of Jerusalem had defiled the sanctuary of the Lord, had profaned the gifts of God with acts of lawlessness.

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Because of these things he said, "Cast them

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far from me; I take no pleasure in them."

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The beauty of her glory was despised before God; it was completely dishonored.

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The sons and daughters were in harsh captivity, their neck in a seal, with a mark among the nations.

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According to their sins he dealt with them, for he abandoned them into the hands of those who prevail.

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He

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turned away his face from pitying them, young and old and their children once again.

17:21

See, O Lord, and raise up for them their king, the son of David, at the time which you chose, O God, to rule over Israel your servant.

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And gird him with strength to shatter in pieces unrighteous rulers, to purify Jerusalem from nations that trample her down in destruction

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in wisdom of righteousness, to drive out sinners from the inheritance, to smash the arrogance of the sinner like a potter's vessel,

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to shatter all their substance with an iron rod, to destroy the lawless nations by the word of his mouth,

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that, by his threat, nations flee from his presence, and to reprove sinners with the thought of their hearts.

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And he shall gather a holy people whom he shall lead in righteousness.

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American Healthcare: How your system works

by Diogenesister in

canada has universal healthcare.

the consensus is that america never will.

can anyone explain why, please?

peacefulpete

My wife just got her bill for her annual wherein she mentioned her hip was acting up. The 12 minute visit was double billed again as if she had made 2 visits. Her visits were billed at over $500 each. Her 12 minutes cost about $1050. Fortunately my deductible is already met. Meaning I'm not responsible for charges over $5000 per calendar year. The insurance kicks in fully at that point. Our employer pays about $18000/ year and we pay about $1500, and the $5000 deductible. I'm not complaining about my costs as I've racked up about $460000 in medical bills the last 2 years and personally only was responsible for about $15,000.

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Where do I go to change my password

by Tameria2001 in

i want to change my password for this site, but when i went to my profile page there was a place to change my e-mail address, bio, and gender, but nothing for my password.

where do i go to change my password?.

peacefulpete

Ok, I can't log in on my laptop using the password I think I have been using for 21 years. My phone kept me logged in otherwise I couldn't post now. My ability to message is still blocked so I can't reach Simon directly. Please advise

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Exes: Would You Rat On A Current JW?

by NotFormer in

it's an interesting thought.

if you are an ex jw, presumably dfed, and you see a current jw in good standing engaging in behaviour that would concern their elders, would you pass on that information to interested parties?

do accusations from exes and other outsiders carry any weight?

peacefulpete

The very idea of tattling on a church member to the church leaders makes my skin crawl. I have no business meddling in their private life. I'd feel exactly the same about my neighbor who buys lottery tickets if they were Catholic or JW. If it is not a question of public safety, what they do in private is none of my business.