Posts by peacefulpete

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Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

by Fisherman in

take for example revelation 21: 10. .

“….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

here john sees something happening, action.

peacefulpete

The writer/s are connecting Jesus's coming in judgement to various OT passages that describe God and Son of Man as coming on the clouds or riding on the clouds. There is no secret meaning. This was an ancient idiom drawn from Baal as rider of the clouds. Yahweh and Son of Man are frequently described that way.

1Rise up, O God, and scatter your enemies.

Let those who hate God run for their lives.

2Blow them away like smoke.

Melt them like wax in a fire.

Let the wicked perish in the presence of God.

3But let the godly rejoice.

Let them be glad in God’s presence.

Let them be filled with joy.

4Sing praises to God and to his name!

Sing loud praises to him who rides the clouds.

His name is the LORD—

rejoice in his presence!

17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels:

Deut 33:26 ¶ There is none like God, O righteous people, which rideth upon the heavens for thine help, and on the clouds in his glory.

Isa 19:1 Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud

Psalm 104:3 You use the clouds for your chariot. You move on the wings of the wind

Then by the 2nd century BCE this idiom was attached to a "son of man" character:

I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,

2 Esdras 13:3 And I looked, and behold, this wind made something like the figure of a man come up out of the heart of the sea. And I looked, and behold, that man flew with the clouds of heaven; and wherever he turned his face to look, everything under his gaze trembled,

And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

The WT spin that it represents invisibility is more than silly given the sentence itself contradicts it.

In the minds of the WT it's all a ruse, the verse says one thing but means another. Secret knowledge only able to be understood properly by them.

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Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

by Fisherman in

bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

peacefulpete

lol...Mathematically possible? Is that the criteria for belief? I can assert any of millions of outrageous claims that are mathematically possible.

You are using a Chewbacca defense.

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mentally ill/delusional or con artist?

by enoughisenough in

maybe this has been discussed in the past and i wasn't here... what do you think?

are the gb members knowingly pulling a con, or do they have delusions of grandeur?

i will go out on a limb here to say that i think they are con artist.

peacefulpete

Like any conspiracy theory we have attempted to debunk for a believer. I'm sure we have all tried. The brain latches on like a pit bull and is only willing to selectively allow evidence past the gatekeepers.

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Common sense on Jockland's gender Bill

by LoveUniHateExams in

nicola sturgeon's daft plan to introduce a gender bill which allows anyone aged 16 and over to legally change gender without a doctor's diagnosis of gender dysphoria has rightly been stopped by pm rishi sunak.. under the rules of devolvement, the uk government can overrule holyrood if the pm so chooses.. lots of predictable howling form the scotch nuts, with ridiculous claims that rishi is trying to organise a fight with holyrood.

of course, it's actually the other way round - the snp has been trying to pass this gender bill in order to drive a wedge between scotland and the rest of the uk.. sensibly, rishi has pulled rank on sturgeon and stopped her nonsense.. nicola sturgeon needs to know her place ....

peacefulpete

Why do people conflate being gay with the "trans" movement?

Because in the minds of many they are all freaks, perverts and weirdos. It would be a rare individual that supports the gay community's efforts to be accepted but rejects the transexual community efforts to do the same.

When gay people fought for equal rights, such as the right to marry, they were not infringing on anyone else's rights. In other words, in giving them equal rights there was no conflict of interest with another group.
This is not so with gender identity. Firstly it is something no one is able to define. It is classed as a 'feeling of discomfort' around ones gender. But how can a biological male know what it feels like to be a woman?(spoiler alert: no one does. Even women don't 'feel like' women.If we didn't have bodies and were just floating heads no one would know what gender they were).

Perhaps it would be easier if you added the word "roles" after gender. It may help you understand. As I understand it, those who feel they are pretending when they are pressured by society to project a feminine or masculine appearance and characterizations want to stop pretending. They are more comfortable projecting the opposite of what they were told they should. We used to call them tom boys or femboys, butch,poofers and pansys. They are asking us not to but just address them the way they want.

Secondly it does infringe on the rights of others. On the right of women to feel comfort, safety and dignity in their intimate spaces.

Both does that cut both ways.

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Prophet stories

by peacefulpete in

(1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

why does the prophet want to be punched?

peacefulpete

Ran across this, a prophet workshop! 5 Symptoms You Might Not Be Crazy, Just a Prophet! — AMI Prophetic School (prophetic-school.com)

Grandiose Delusional Disorder?

Delusional Disorder: Causes, Symptoms, Types & Treatment (clevelandclinic.org)

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Prophet stories

by peacefulpete in

(1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

why does the prophet want to be punched?

peacefulpete

This story actually came to mind when doing the Nethinim thread. Recall Joshuah is told to kill the Gibeonites (who were Amorites, Hivites or Hittites depending upon the text) but is fooled by them into entering a treaty. No lion for Joshua however.

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Prophet stories

by peacefulpete in

(1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

why does the prophet want to be punched?

peacefulpete

It is interesting to me that the story arc of chapter 13 ends in 2 Kings 23 wherein the bones of both of these prophets were allowed to remain at peace. It would seem that worked as a happy ending in the mind of the writer. Being mauled to death by a lion was due punishment for allowing himself to be fooled by another prophet of God but in the end his bones were left buried in peace so all is good. That kind of outlook seems common in war torn and impoverished cultures. Life itself was cheap but having a good burial was important.

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Prophet stories

by peacefulpete in

(1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

why does the prophet want to be punched?

peacefulpete

(1Kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion. He goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does. Why does the prophet want to be punched? So he can wear a bandage as a disguise to approach the King and deliver his message of doom.

Maybe some makeup would have worked?

Lions were popular. The 1 Kings 13 has the story of another unnamed prophet being told to go and curse the alter in Bethel. After a scene where the hand of the King is withered then healed the king invites him dinner. He refuses saying God told him not to eat or drink there and to take a different road home. On his way home another "old" prophet of God follows the first prophet and tells him God directed him to have dinner with him. The prophet is fooled. The old prophet then condemns him in the name of Yahweh to be killed by a lion. He dies by a lion.

That one smells like entrapment, doesn't it?

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The "Time of the End"

by Rivergang in

for those who still hold to the belief that the last 109 years have been part of "the time of the end", consider this: .

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive.

it would have been quite understandable if those alive during the middle of the 6th century ad believed the "end was nigh.".

peacefulpete

A lot of OT history revolves around the late Bronze Age Collapse.

Eric Cline | 1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed - YouTube

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Nethinim...Con-men or Prostitutes....

by peacefulpete in

i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.

the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.

it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.

peacefulpete

Something else I forgot to include in the opening comment was the interpolation in Ezra 8:20 that says David gave the Nethinim to the Levites as slaves.

19 and Hashabiah, and with him Jeshaiah of the sons of Merari, his brethren and their sons, twenty; 20 and of the Nethinim, (whom David and the princes had given for the service of the Levites), two hundred and twenty Nethinim: all of them were mentioned by name.

This is not mentioned in any of the David traditions. This likely retrojects them into the past artificially and the editor also seems unaware of the Gibeonite story and Numbers (below) as they read today.

Numbers 31 Has the conquered Midianites being given to the priests and Levites either as human sacrifice or slaves. But this immediately follows the direction to kill everyone but virgin girls. So it is a bit provocative. Were the virgin girls to be slaves of the temple? Again, it is suggested the word "people" was an interpolation edited into the text here to give an origin story for the Nethinim without considering carefully the immediate context that said all the boys/men and adult women were to be killed.

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether (people), cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether (people), cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.”