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  Prophet stories

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. bible

  (1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

  he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

  why does the prophet want to be punched?

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  Ran across this, a prophet workshop! 5 Symptoms You Might Not Be Crazy, Just a Prophet! — AMI Prophetic School (prophetic-school.com)

  Grandiose Delusional Disorder?

  Delusional Disorder: Causes, Symptoms, Types & Treatment (clevelandclinic.org)
  
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  Prophet stories

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

  he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

  why does the prophet want to be punched?

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  This story actually came to mind when doing the Nethinim thread. Recall Joshuah is told to kill the Gibeonites (who were Amorites, Hivites or Hittites depending upon the text) but is fooled by them into entering a treaty. No lion for Joshua however.
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  Prophet stories

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

  he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

  why does the prophet want to be punched?

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  It is interesting to me that the story arc of chapter 13 ends in 2 Kings 23 wherein the bones of both of these prophets were allowed to remain at peace. It would seem that worked as a happy ending in the mind of the writer. Being mauled to death by a lion was due punishment for allowing himself to be fooled by another prophet of God but in the end his bones were left buried in peace so all is good. That kind of outlook seems common in war torn and impoverished cultures. Life itself was cheap but having a good burial was important.
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  Prophet stories

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

  he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

  why does the prophet want to be punched?

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  (1Kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion. He goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does. Why does the prophet want to be punched? So he can wear a bandage as a disguise to approach the King and deliver his message of doom.

  Maybe some makeup would have worked?
  
  

  Lions were popular. The 1 Kings 13 has the story of another unnamed prophet being told to go and curse the alter in Bethel. After a scene where the hand of the King is withered then healed the king invites him dinner. He refuses saying God told him not to eat or drink there and to take a different road home. On his way home another "old" prophet of God follows the first prophet and tells him God directed him to have dinner with him. The prophet is fooled. The old prophet then condemns him in the name of Yahweh to be killed by a lion. He dies by a lion.

  That one smells like entrapment, doesn't it?
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  The "Time of the End"

  by Rivergang in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those who still hold to the belief that the last 109 years have been part of "the time of the end", consider this: .

  https://www.science.org/content/article/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive.

  it would have been quite understandable if those alive during the middle of the 6th century ad believed the "end was nigh.".

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  A lot of OT history revolves around the late Bronze Age Collapse.

  Eric Cline | 1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed - YouTube
  
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  Nethinim...Con-men or Prostitutes....

  by peacefulpete in

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  i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.

  the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.

  it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.

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  Something else I forgot to include in the opening comment was the interpolation in Ezra 8:20 that says David gave the Nethinim to the Levites as slaves.

  19 and Hashabiah, and with him Jeshaiah of the sons of Merari, his brethren and their sons, twenty; 20 and of the Nethinim, (whom David and the princes had given for the service of the Levites), two hundred and twenty Nethinim: all of them were mentioned by name.

  This is not mentioned in any of the David traditions. This likely retrojects them into the past artificially and the editor also seems unaware of the Gibeonite story and Numbers (below) as they read today.

  Numbers 31 Has the conquered Midianites being given to the priests and Levites either as human sacrifice or slaves. But this immediately follows the direction to kill everyone but virgin girls. So it is a bit provocative. Were the virgin girls to be slaves of the temple? Again, it is suggested the word "people" was an interpolation edited into the text here to give an origin story for the Nethinim without considering carefully the immediate context that said all the boys/men and adult women were to be killed.

  17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

  28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether (people), cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether (people), cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.”
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  I have a good agnostic friend who taught Sunday school. I have had conversations with two ministers in local churches that are atheists. One said, it doesn't matter if there is a God, people want and need the traditions. The other said the church thing wasn't his first choice in careers, but it was ok. I have another good agnostic friend who felt he needed a community and attended the Unitarian Universalist church in town for a while. We went with them once. To each his own. Apparently, some do feel the need to identify with a group. We don't, in fact the idea makes me very uncomfortable. I give to charities I believe in and try not to be a jerk, that's my religion.
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  Common sense on Jockland's gender Bill

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  nicola sturgeon's daft plan to introduce a gender bill which allows anyone aged 16 and over to legally change gender without a doctor's diagnosis of gender dysphoria has rightly been stopped by pm rishi sunak.. under the rules of devolvement, the uk government can overrule holyrood if the pm so chooses.. lots of predictable howling form the scotch nuts, with ridiculous claims that rishi is trying to organise a fight with holyrood.

  of course, it's actually the other way round - the snp has been trying to pass this gender bill in order to drive a wedge between scotland and the rest of the uk.. sensibly, rishi has pulled rank on sturgeon and stopped her nonsense.. nicola sturgeon needs to know her place ....

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  DD...We all agree that what's best to the youth should be of foremost importance. Problem is people just don't agree just what that means for an adolescent with these feelings. Most anyone agrees that ideally parents should be involved in the children's lives and oversee the internet content their children are exposed to so that transgender affirming messages (like any adult content) intended for older audiences do not contribute to confusion. The concerns about the use of hormonal therapy are a contentious matter. There likely is no one correct answer.
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  Nethinim...Con-men or Prostitutes....

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.

  the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.

  it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.

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  Phizzy,...first I have to say I can only speculate. The use of temple slaves was very common in the Middle east and it was possibly done prior to the exile. The use of the name might also have originated before as well. We just don't know. It's just that in the stories the first use the word as a noun is in Ezra/Nehemiah. The part about Iddo and a city full of Nethinim somewhere in Israel might be a purely literary creation or it might suggest a clan of temple slaves did exist. The majority of common Jews never were deported, only the leaders. Ezra/Nehemiah is heavily edited so either is possible. I personally find the use of 'cue names' (shining white and timely) as suggestive of it being a literary creation.

  Then again, many Jews that returned had very successful lives in Babylon. They had businesses and slaves no doubt. In Ezra, the returnees are depicted as wealthy, when a collection was taken, they came up with nearly 4 tons of gold and 28 tons of silver for the temple from 1400 donors. (Exaggerations seem likely but still).

  I just recalled Haggai as expressing frustration that the people of Jerusalem had fine paneled homes when the temple lay in ruins. That might suggest a prosperity capable of slaves as well.
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  Flu is finally back in Scotland - after its 2 year holiday!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. current

  the little demon went totally awol for 3 winters, 2019 - 2021, but now it's back with a vengeance: .

  "the first minister turns to the "extraordinary levels of winter flu.

  "" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-64209723.

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  peacefulpete

  Our confidence in these results is generally low to moderate for the subjective outcomes related to respiratory illness, but moderate for the more precisely defined laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infection, related to masks and N95/P2 respirators. The results might change when further evidence becomes available. Relatively low numbers of people followed the guidance about wearing masks or about hand hygiene, which may have affected the results of the studies.

  The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions