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  An interesting Observation of some Bibles

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first of all, hi, i go by blotty on this website :) i am someone who has a passion for the bible and like to get a as balanced view as i can from the trinitarian and the jw (or unitarian) side - even though i come off as leaning towards one or the other at times, in my opinion they both have merits in certain cases..if this is in the wrong section i apologise - this is just something i found interesting.iv seen online a lot that say the watchtower and tract society "invented" the link between proverbs 8:22 - 30 and jesus (the word).

  yet interestingly some "mainstream" "trinitarian- aimed" translations are cross referencing the following:source:https://www.biblegateway.comprov 8:22 cr rev 3:14niv, gnt,esv, nasb, nasb1995, nasbre, cevprov 8:30 cr john 1:1,2 esv nasbprov 8:30 cr john 1:3esvnasb1995nasb(this list is by no means complete)if this is simply wisdom, why is it referenced with jesus (or the word)?.

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  Living your life according to the bible

  by TTWSYF in

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  i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

  my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

  ttwsyf.

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  The problem is that many have and do live according to the Bible. Bloodshed and tribalism is the theme of the Bible. There are probably about 20 ethical verses worthy of considering, most of those were equally well said by many others.

  Religions that foster the better natures of people are to be commended, but their message is not the message of "the Bible" but merely proof texted from the Bible.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  All matters historical are questions of what does the best evidence suggest. Historians must accept a measure of uncertainty, but always seek an improved understanding, like all the sciences.

  The WT arrived at it's conclusions not through best evidence but of necessity to shoehorn the dates to fit their doctrine. Tellingly when error was realized they changed the dates not the doctrine.

  Debates about long dead empires and kings will never "prove" or "disprove" what is accepted on faith.
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  Songs that help recovery

  by peacefulpete in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are there songs that seem to speak to you?

  maybe especially when leaving the church and losing friends and family.

  i still pause when i hear hennly's heart of the matter.

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  Are there songs that seem to speak to you? Maybe especially when leaving the church and losing friends and family. I still pause when I hear Hennly's Heart of the Matter. Great lyrics that apply in many circumstances but always feel appropriate.

  ....I'm learning to live without you now

  But I miss you sometimes
  The more I know, the less I understand
  All the things I thought I knew, I'm learning again
  I've been trying to get down to the Heart of the Matter
  But my will gets weak
  And my thoughts seem to scatter
  But I think it's about forgiveness
  Forgiveness
  Even if, even if you don't love me anymore
  
  These times are so uncertain
  There's a yearning undefined
  And people filled with rage
  We all need a little tenderness
  How can love survive in such a graceless age
  The trust and self-assurance that lead to happiness
  They're the very things we kill, I guess
  Pride and competition cannot fill these empty arms
  And the work I put between us,
  You know it doesn't keep me warm
  
  I'm learning to live without you now
  But I miss you, baby
  The more I know, the less I understand
  All the things I thought I figured out, I have to learn again
  I've been trying to get down to the heart of the matter
  But everything changes
  And my friends seem to scatter
  But I think it's about forgiveness
  Forgiveness
  Even if, even if you don't love me anymore
  
  There are people in your life who've come and gone
  They let you down, you know they hurt your pride
  You better put it all behind you, baby, 'cause life goes on
  You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside, baby
  
  I've been trying to get down to the Heart of the Matter
  But my will gets weak
  And my thoughts seem to scatter
  But I think it's about forgiveness
  Forgiveness
  Even if, even if you don't love me
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  An interesting Observation of some Bibles

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first of all, hi, i go by blotty on this website :) i am someone who has a passion for the bible and like to get a as balanced view as i can from the trinitarian and the jw (or unitarian) side - even though i come off as leaning towards one or the other at times, in my opinion they both have merits in certain cases..if this is in the wrong section i apologise - this is just something i found interesting.iv seen online a lot that say the watchtower and tract society "invented" the link between proverbs 8:22 - 30 and jesus (the word).

  yet interestingly some "mainstream" "trinitarian- aimed" translations are cross referencing the following:source:https://www.biblegateway.comprov 8:22 cr rev 3:14niv, gnt,esv, nasb, nasb1995, nasbre, cevprov 8:30 cr john 1:1,2 esv nasbprov 8:30 cr john 1:3esvnasb1995nasb(this list is by no means complete)if this is simply wisdom, why is it referenced with jesus (or the word)?.

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  Jhine...it's another case of circular reasoning. Since we believe Jesus alone can do this or that and Michael does this and that, they must be same character. The texts themselves do not suggest it. It also ignores Jewish angelology from the period.
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  List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  here's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .

  1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.

  2. no going to home coming football games.

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  Do real research and share what you learn with others.
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  Hobbies

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. friends

  i think it's been a while since this was asked.

  tell us your hobbies, interests, pastimes, whatever you find enjoyable as a diversion from work and school.

  i am lucky enough to live in a small cabin on a lake, i enjoy rowing my old boat and fishing, i play with car projects, and we travel as much as we can.

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  I thought of myself as an artist when I was young, haven't done anything in decades. Kinda afraid to pick up a pencil and try, hate to destroy my illusion.
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  Hobbies

  by peacefulpete in

  1. jw
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  i think it's been a while since this was asked.

  tell us your hobbies, interests, pastimes, whatever you find enjoyable as a diversion from work and school.

  i am lucky enough to live in a small cabin on a lake, i enjoy rowing my old boat and fishing, i play with car projects, and we travel as much as we can.

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  titch...sorry didn't renew it. Wife has a handheld radio at work to listen in if needed in an emergency. Preppers are folks convinced society is about to collapse and they prepare (prep) by hoarding guns, ammo and food. They might also booby-trap their property, at least these did.
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  An interesting Observation of some Bibles

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first of all, hi, i go by blotty on this website :) i am someone who has a passion for the bible and like to get a as balanced view as i can from the trinitarian and the jw (or unitarian) side - even though i come off as leaning towards one or the other at times, in my opinion they both have merits in certain cases..if this is in the wrong section i apologise - this is just something i found interesting.iv seen online a lot that say the watchtower and tract society "invented" the link between proverbs 8:22 - 30 and jesus (the word).

  yet interestingly some "mainstream" "trinitarian- aimed" translations are cross referencing the following:source:https://www.biblegateway.comprov 8:22 cr rev 3:14niv, gnt,esv, nasb, nasb1995, nasbre, cevprov 8:30 cr john 1:1,2 esv nasbprov 8:30 cr john 1:3esvnasb1995nasb(this list is by no means complete)if this is simply wisdom, why is it referenced with jesus (or the word)?.

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  https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Gender/Gnosticism.htm

  Wisdom as an hypostasis of God was a flourishing concept in late Judaism and early Christianity. In recent comments I've mentioned how similar concepts such as the "Logos" certainly inspired a formal Trinitarian doctrine in later years.
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  Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

  truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

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  Fisherman,,once that has been pounded into your head its hard to unlearn.

  However, the author of Matt (and Luke using Matt) utilizes the very popular parable of Israel being God's vineyard/field/household. (eg Isaiah chapts. 5 & 27, Ps 80) Though a series of parables, the author draws lessons utilizing this imagery. In Matt 21 Jesus says 2 parables, (21:28-46) the 2 sons in the vineyard and the tenants in the field in which the Jewish religious leaders appointed by God centuries previous are the target. THEY were the author's disloyal, faithless, workers/servants/sons. There is nothing to suggest the parallel parables in Matt 24 and 25 refer to anyone else. THEY, that is the Jewish religious leaders, failed to recognize the son's/master's arrival and were found sleeping, lazy, corrupt etc.

  Its key to remember the authors' of the Gospels did not have a 2000 year disappointment in mind. They intended the "delay" to refer to the long period of anticipation of Yahweh's return by his Messiah. For them all the events referred to in the parables, judging of religious leaders, the signs, the revealing of the Messiah's power etc. were to happen in their generation not in the distant future.

  It was centuries (and possibly an edit or two) later that the parables seem take on new meaning wherein the delay wasn't the wait for the arrival of the Messiah it was the 2000 years of disappointment that followed. The harvest wasn't imminent, it was thousands of years later. The parables lent easily to that misapplication that as long as you disregard the specific application of the parables to the Jewish leaders and the imminent judgement expressed in the same context.