Posts by wallsofjericho

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

wallsofjericho

QUOTE - It does seem as if the org lawyers have told them its time to liquidate and get the money as far out of reach as possible - END QUOTE

I suppose interest free loans would still be transacted and therefore "locked" into the US assets of the Corporation. By absolving all loans and just receiving "donations" the Corporation no longer runs a US quasi-business component within it and all the new cash can be freely moved anywhere on the planet without ledger accounts pinning it to US operations.

I imagine this would eliminate many finacial "books" that the could be ordered by the supreme court to be seized or frozen

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

wallsofjericho

i believe its very easy for the GB or anyone of the upper echilon to rationalize and justify using psychologists or consultants to assist in phasing in change.

The GB can easily dismiss away any issues under the premise "if its good for the organization, then its what Jehovah wants"

For a long time I would not believe this. But the reality is, the way these changes are phased in, the virtual "cat and mouse" between new light in response to factual evidence, the intelligence behind the wording, the cushioning of the psycholigical impact, etc of new light is far more advanced than the minds of any GB member could ever dream up.

the GB are looking for a "response" to the current needs of the Org. No matter what that response is, "if its good for the Org, then it must be the right thing to do"

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Take away these 4 words and JW's would be tongue tied

by Sour Grapes in

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soon, near, special, and obey.

wallsofjericho

balance

understanding

direction

cooperate

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The Circuit Overseer Appointing Local Elders - Connect the Dots

by skeeter1 in

i thought about the change.

here's my take.. i think it's a move to protect bethel and the governing body from criminal charges for pedophilia occuring within a congegation.

criminal law usually works on specific knowledge of a situation.

wallsofjericho

With this change, the CO could go to jail . . but not Bethel's volunteers or the Governing Body.

if you were a CO, would you appoint an elder with a shady past that you were aware of? I wouldnt imagine even the WTS would question the CO's ruling as just this mechanism in place could make the WTS culpable. The CO calls it, yay or nay. Done.

The WTS just gets a notification of the appointment or removal

the CO stands to lose everything he owns and will earn for many years to come. This includes his own house. The CO might be able to obtain bankruptcy, but then the bankrtupcy judge will make the CO pay as much as he can from his assets and then for, most likely, 5 years afterwards.

CO's rarely own anything anyway. Those that do will likely be able to protect this under a legal dept approved "donation" system that they will get back after they complete their term in some form or another

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The REAL reason for the elder and ms appointment change......

by EndofMysteries in

as seen in recent posts, beginning later this year appointments and deletions of elders and ms will only happen through the circuit overseer.

this means that individual congregations and elders have no say anymore.

if the gb want only certain people in or out, they tell the co and he makes it happen.

wallsofjericho

IMO, it would be short sighted or naive for WT to believe it can avoid culpability by assigning blame on the C/O.

legal dept has this all sorted out.

there will be all kinds of legalese and formality written into some CO procedural document that utilizes some arms-length loop-hole that disassociates legal liability from the WTS.

I believe the elimination of DO's is tied up with this new arrangment somehow also.

even the renaming of Districts into Regions could be part of the thing that creates a "new" something-or-other that gives the WTS a platform for creating this legal separation.

this has been written by lawyers and legal consultants over years of reviews and evaluations.

Absolutely this new arrangement will have AT THE VERY LEAST the benefit of sheilding the WTS assets from legal liability. With all this work, I am sure there are other benefits as well

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positives VS negatives for the new donation arrangment

by joe134cd in

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a +ve for wtbts.

apostates will have less fuel for the fire, with regard to forcible refurbishments and the pricing thereof.

now there is less transparency with regard to there business practices.. on the -ve for the kh.

wallsofjericho

I honestly believe gone are the days of forcible refurbishments and quick builds with this new funding strategy.

I disagree. The WTS doesn't want their tax free asset base losing its capital value. Just the opposite, they are going to force upgrades and refurbs as strictly or more so than in the past.

and with every improvement comes a "suggested" donation increase by the CO, who now has the power to oust any non-conforrming elder(s).

The reality is, donation arrangement or not, if your cong's donation isn't where its required to be the CO will make sure the body knows it.

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this weekend's "SPECIAL TALK"....

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so as most know, this is the weekend of the "special talk" .... if anyone is going to the k hall, please shaer your thoughts on what makes is "so special".... i bet it will be more recycled same same.... "god loves you, he hates violence, he hates bad things happening to good people, he wants you all to be jw memebers...or he will kill you all at the big loving armageddon!!!!!!!

!.

wallsofjericho

It's "special" because it's a new outline and it's introduced into the pile with its big debut as a "special talk"

its then relegated to the recycle heap with all the rest of the talks

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G.B. ARRANGED A MEMORIAL WITHOUT EMBLEMS!

by The Searcher in

weird!.

http://ilynca.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/unforgettable-memorial.html?spref=fb.

wallsofjericho

All that is required is to place the crackers and wine on a table and let any who want to partake come forward and nibble their own personal cracker and drink from their own glass of wine

good point

the actual act of "passing" has obvious signifigance. Back "in the day" everyone would have partaken. I guess around 1931-1935 when the "closing of the call" was made up and the other sheep class was invented, then those (perhaps few) that did not partake would have passed the emblems along to the next person.

in my lifetime i have never seen a person partake, ever. Yet at some point in time the act of "passing" developed its own signifigance. As long as I can remember, being at the memorial had life and death signifigance. Even DF'd people showed up, and if anyone dared to not attend a memorial even a DF'd person, this is veiwed with absolute disdain. Yet as proven by this recent memorial, the memorial itself is merely a tradition of the BOrg, it tickles the ears and eyes of the "observers" while having no signifigance at all

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WOW gotta check out this Charles Sinutko talk "Is It Proper to have doubts?"

by BU2B in

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so manipulaitve.

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http://www.printcentralandsigns.com/jwtalks/covisits/sinutko%20charles%20-%20is%20it%20proper%20to%20have%20doubts.mp3.

wallsofjericho

anyone know where or when this was recorded?

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Recent changes

by Thumblina in

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i was on this board a lot when i faded and left 6 years ago but not been on much since.

is there any thread/s in particular to read showing the changes in the past 5 years?

or any kind willing person who has time to summarise them as a reply below??

wallsofjericho

-Russel is no longer of the F&DS
-Jesus' 2nd coming now has 2 parts, one in 1914 as King, and one at the (yet future) Great Tribulation as Judge

-after the 2nd part of his 2nd coming, the remaining 144,000 will be raptured to heaven

-after the rapture an "unkown period of time" will follow during which the judging of the sheep and the goats will occur and THAT will be followed by the actual armageddon

-a few years old now, but there is no longer any closing of "the call" meaning anyone can now claim they are anointed and the number of anointed has increased from just over 8000 to over 13,000. But as Jgnat pointed out, being anointed doesn't mean anything special anymore since only the Governing Body have the power as the F&DS