Posts by tornapart

DD, it's something you could use if you get questioned by the elders. Say those very 3 points that were said in the DC and say you are just following that advice.. ;)

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So apparently I'm now a Secular Humanist

by Oubliette in

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i was doing some research on the subject of beliefs and belief systems when i came across an on-line survey/test that supposedly helps you determine which religion or philosophy is most like your current beliefs.

if you're curious, you can take the quiz here: belief system selector quizafter answering the 20 questions the results were spit out!

tada!!!.

tornapart

I came up Mainline Conservative Christian Protestant first... Orthodox Quakers second...

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Maybe I am a little dense, but I just realized...

by DATA-DOG in

the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.

" this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.

so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.

tornapart

Another thing I was thinking that the WT doesn't talk about because it might seem to indicate a trinity. John 2:19, 21 where Jesus said HE would raise his body. How could he do this himself? Of course other scriptures show that God raised him. So what is the truth? If the spirit goes back to God but is 'sleeping' then God could awaken the spirit of the person. In Jesus case he could then go on to resurrect his own body. I do believe he raised his physical body as he still had the nail holes, also he raised Lazurus (4 days dead) just a few days beforehand, showing it could be done. When he went to heaven the transformation came just as Paul describes for chosen one during the 'rapture' (1 Thess 4:17; 1 Cor 15:51-53)

So... soul (body+spirit) dies. The spirit goes back to God in a sleeping state. The spirit is awakened by God when he chooses (or by Jesus). The spirit is given a new body (nothing unusual in this as the body we have as an adult is not the one we were born with). This body could be a physical body (as in the case of Lazarus) or it could be a spirit body, an incorruptible, immortal body to live in the spirit realm with God and Christ and angels.

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Maybe I am a little dense, but I just realized...

by DATA-DOG in

the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.

" this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.

so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.

tornapart

I'd been thinking along those lines myself yesterday DD. I was thinking about the soul. When a person dies the body is still there but 'something' is missing, it's gone. The bible say in many places that the spirit (that 'something' that is missing?) goes back to God. Of course the WT says it's just the breath of life but it seems like it's much more than that to me. When that spirit goes back to God is it just in a 'sleeping' state awaiting resurrection? When a resurrection occurs the 'spirit' is united with a new body? Whether an earthly body or heavenly body, who knows. Just some musings on my part.

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Torn in Two

by compound complex in

you, my beloved -- dearest soul ever to touch a foot .

upon the hallowed earth 'pon which now i kneel --.

it's but the memory of you, that fading recollection of .

tornapart

Coco.... Wow! I can really feel all that! (sorry I'm not very good with words but you know what I mean).

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Should I send this letter to my non-JW cousin who refuses to listen to ANY criticism of our JW relatives?

by nicolaou in

some background here; non-jw family members who are overly respectful and protective of the jw's.. i thought i might try a completely different tactic.

what are your views on my letter below?

i thought i'd let it sit with her for a couple of weeks or more before following it up .

tornapart

I think if you send this letter it will just reinforce what they already believe. It's too emotional, too attacking and there is no reasoning in what you say. Also the points you bring out from the scriptures are meaningless if you make the point that you don't believe the bible.

You want a reaction from them... well I hope for your sake it isn't an unpleasant one.

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Why elders' wives are such gossipers...

by Calebs Airplane in

i have a theory as to why elders' wives gossip so much.

i believe a big part of it has to do with the conversation running dry (between themselves and their elder husbands) after so many years of marriage.

since they don't get to spend too much "quality time" together (because of the elder husband's hamster wheel schedule), when they do have some intimate time alone, the elder's wives will invaribly attempt to engage their husbands in any kind of interchange.

tornapart

Caleb's Airplane.. that's a bit of a generalisation, I'm an elder's wife and I hate gossip. Out of all the elder's wives in our congregation I don't know of any who gossip. One or two of the elders are much worse than their wives!

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Some odd developments

by dissonance_resolved in

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so things are not making sense at all here in my fade.

as i had posted earlier, i had a long intense talk the other night with my husband where i thought it was crystal clear just where i'm at right now with the wtbts.

then, the same week, he's not feeling well and asks me to take the kids to the mid-week meeting.

tornapart

D-R.... I'm having the exact same things happening. An alternative universe sounds just about right!!