Posts by Londo111

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Do JWs ever doubt that the end is really coming?

by dogon in

as a former dubber i had many occasions to doubt that the end was coming.

i was told it was ok to doubt but not to think about it too much and wait on jehovah.

that bull shit lasted until they changed the meaning of generation in 95 and that was the end of that bull shit for me.

Londo111

Of course, every JW contends with doubts and cognitive dissonance. I suspect every JW’s has doubts that wax and wane, but never fully goes away. But the barrier of undue influence is steep and keeps them from making a real examination of things like 607, 1914, whether world conditions have been getting worse since 1914, the organization’s many failed predictions…

Until there is such a real examination or reality testing, doubt can easily go both ways. If a JW comes to the conclusion that the end is not around the corner, they might have fearful doubts about that conclusion. “What if it is?”

To some extent, I believe many JWs, while to some extent do believe it, have an authentic corner of their identity that does not fully buy in to the full implications to the teaching that the Armageddon is very close and that most of their non-JW acquaintances, family, coworkers, neighbors, and seven billion others are about to be murdered for all eternity. Of course, this might include inactive and irregular JW, and to some extent, those who were active and could’ve arranged their circumstances to preach more. Otherwise, they would do as the Org prescribed and pioneer, or sell their homes and move to where the “need was greater”, or try to get into Bethel.

Many do live practical lives with day jobs, having a place to live and making plans for the near future to some extent. Of course, Armageddon does still loom in their minds and effects their decisions. They seem caught between fear and the practical. That tension is not easy.

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Prince and addictive drugs…a possible loophole?

by Londo111 in

according to the elder's rulebook, there is this addendum in the chapter on the grounds for judicial committee and the section: "misuse of addictive drugs":.

please note: the use of addictive drugs under medical supervision, such as for pain management, would not necessarily require judicial review.

when questions arise, consult with the branch office.. .

Londo111

Lieu,

A minor non-addictive pain medication like Aleve is not in the same class as strong medication that may be addictive and might come with harmful side effects.

When I had gout, the doctor recommended that I take more the recommended dose of Advil. He said temporary taking over the recommended amount is okay.

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The smug arrogance of "having the truth".

by stuckinarut2 in

has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

Londo111

And sometimes lip service was given to "we are not better" than non-JWs, but...

It was classic doublethink.

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Prince and addictive drugs…a possible loophole?

by Londo111 in

according to the elder's rulebook, there is this addendum in the chapter on the grounds for judicial committee and the section: "misuse of addictive drugs":.

please note: the use of addictive drugs under medical supervision, such as for pain management, would not necessarily require judicial review.

when questions arise, consult with the branch office.. .

Londo111

I have wondered if anti-depressants help elders cope with following Watchtower rules and cutting people off from friends and family.

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Medal of Valor given by Obama to JW Grandmother - Check her Lapel Pin

by Da.Furious in

this grandmother found the best way to advertise jw.org by wearing a huge lapel pin.. .

some of the comments are really interesting.. link to article:.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/obama-award-medal-valor-family-slain-philadelphia-police-officer-robert-wilson-iii-monday/.

Londo111

Yep...I was also wondering if she was counting her time.

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Prince and addictive drugs…a possible loophole?

by Londo111 in

according to the elder's rulebook, there is this addendum in the chapter on the grounds for judicial committee and the section: "misuse of addictive drugs":.

please note: the use of addictive drugs under medical supervision, such as for pain management, would not necessarily require judicial review.

when questions arise, consult with the branch office.. .

Londo111

I remember the line that went something like: "Oh, it's not theocratic activities that are a burden, it is the pressure from the world!"

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Mexico ends use of House-to-House Record & Please Follow Up

by wifibandit in

in a letter to all congregations dated april 27, 2016 the central american branch (mexico) has ended the use of s-8-s and s-43-s.

Londo111

A way to get the "branch or congregation" off the hook legally, but in practice it changes nothing.

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Repost From ArchDruid Report of December 2012 - Apocalypse Not!

by FadeToBlack in

he was doing a series about failed prophecies... not just jw's.

end of the world of the week #51.

what do you do if you throw an apocalypse and nobody comes?

Londo111

There are a few inaccuracies.

The "second coming" aka "invisible presence" was viewed as starting in 1874. 1874 and the endpoint of the "time of trouble" 1914, were all Barbour's calculations. It was only years after Russell's death that the Watchtower changed the "invisible presence" to 1914.

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Regional Convention

by raven in

so how many are not going to the regional convention this year?

it will be my first year not attending as part of my fade.. i remember going for all of my childhood into adult hood, participating in stage parts even.. however, last assembly i was already mentally checked out.

i remember looking around and seeing all of people bobbing & nodding at the program talks that had been previously repeated time and time again.. almost seemed like hypnosis.. i also had a hard time with the fact that we're all supposed to be "friends" and everyone had always seemed to be so judgmental.. especially at conventions & assemblies.. things like who had the best outfit for the days, who looked the prettiest, who can snag the single ms brother.. who took the most spiritual food out of the program, how many times can you tally mark jehovah's name.

Londo111

I haven't attended a convention since 2009. Of course, I didn't wake up until 2011.I skipped 2010 due to personal problems, but had I attended, the "overlapping" generations teaching would've woken me up earlier and saved me allot of grief.

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Prince and addictive drugs…a possible loophole?

by Londo111 in

according to the elder's rulebook, there is this addendum in the chapter on the grounds for judicial committee and the section: "misuse of addictive drugs":.

please note: the use of addictive drugs under medical supervision, such as for pain management, would not necessarily require judicial review.

when questions arise, consult with the branch office.. .

Londo111

I've had elders "encourage" me to take anti-anxiety pills to "take the edge off", so I could overcome anxiety to do “necessary” things like going door to door. Also, some of them said their pioneer wife takes them. It's likely the only way to keep up such a stressful lifestyle.