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  Do we have to avoid churches to avoid Babylon the Great?

  by ShadesofGrey in

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  i have several friends who are concerned about getting baptized at a church, attending a church, taking advantage of their youth services, homeschool groups etc.... .

  i think that this is because they still believe the babylon the great doctrine and think that if a church or church leader has any teachings "wrong" then they are part of babylon the great... some thoughts:.

  using churches for certain services is not the same as belonging to them.

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  I'm not sure homeschooling would be a good idea...
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  Origin of High Control Groups by Natural Selection

  by Londo111 in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm about halfway through reading steven hassan's 'combating cult mind control', a very enlightening read to be sure.

  there are many misconceptions as regards high control groups and mind control.

  the popular conception is that of a nefarious mastermind that is knowingly using mind control and deceiving their members.

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  I'm about halfway through reading Steven Hassan's 'Combating Cult Mind Control', a very enlightening read to be sure. There are many misconceptions as regards high control groups and mind control. The popular conception is that of a nefarious mastermind that is knowingly using mind control and deceiving their members. And for smaller groups, that indeed might be the case.

  But other groups, like the Bible Students, seemed to have evolved into a high control group. There have been many such similar groups that have come and gone throughout history. But such fringe systems do not survive unless by trail and error the BITE model arises within them. And by that time, it is part and parcel to their self-perpetuation.

  Of course, such phenomena are endemic to the human condition and have been present throughout history. The Witnesses are not the first and they will not be the last. All this has happened before--it will all happen again.

  Religious fundamentalism in general seems to use the BITE model. From personal observation, I had a Pentecostal friend in high school who was just as much under mind control and unknowingly perpetuated it as much as anyone else. He used to say, "Don't think, just believe." He used to get this glazed look in his eyes, the same I have seen in other fundamentalists when I was at their doors, or Witnesses when they are adamantly defending the Society.
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  Does anyone here believe in ET's? That we are not alone on this vast Universe?

  by IamPresence2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  being brought up a jw until age 25. i never made an attempte to search anywhere else for information until i moved out (thank god).

  thanks to the internet,, my curiosity led me to different websites, books, documentaries and video presentations.

  one of the topic at large was ufo's i remember there was an awake (inthe 80 or 90's) but was too young to comprehend or figure out what it was.

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  "Alien abductions" are clearly a product of hallucinations brought on by sleep paralysis.
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  I know that VM44 and discreetslave mentioned writing the Society about these articles...did anything ever become of that?

  I'm sure they would respond with very stock answers.
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  How come "Johhny the Bethelite" has not been exposed?

  by hotspur in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i can't believe johnny the bethelite has not been uncovered.

  unless, of course, he doesn't exist!

  hoping not to give koolaidman any more exposure here but.... .

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  Now I'm curious about this Trevor and Linda stuff...
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  Does anyone here believe in ET's? That we are not alone on this vast Universe?

  by IamPresence2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  being brought up a jw until age 25. i never made an attempte to search anywhere else for information until i moved out (thank god).

  thanks to the internet,, my curiosity led me to different websites, books, documentaries and video presentations.

  one of the topic at large was ufo's i remember there was an awake (inthe 80 or 90's) but was too young to comprehend or figure out what it was.

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  I guess I'm agnostic about the subject. As regards UFOs, I've always believed them to be e xperimental craft, black budget type stuff.
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  How come "Johhny the Bethelite" has not been exposed?

  by hotspur in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i can't believe johnny the bethelite has not been uncovered.

  unless, of course, he doesn't exist!

  hoping not to give koolaidman any more exposure here but.... .

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  Ad hominem attacks are often used by those who don't have a case for their arguments. The Society uses them all the time.

  As far as the 'cyberbullying'…no, that is not what is going on here. The Society also plays the persecution card whenever people even respectfully disagree with them. It is another sign of not having a case.

  Rather then bullying, this is merely an application of this principle, "Everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him."

  This applies to claims by the Society or Six Screens or anyone else. I would love to believe there was a reform movement going on at Headquarters, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

  Think about the buzz over the FTL neutrinos…Nobody wanted to come forward about the results until they rechecked their results every which way. And even afterwards, they've done the experiment again. And now, an independent team is going to do the experiment. If Einstein were alive, would he play the persecution card? Would he attack the folks at CERN or OPERA instead of their measurements?

  Most of the folks on this site are merely demanding more than the usual of Six Screens and JtB.
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  Early Civilizations and Bible Chronology

  by xelder in

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  I'm not so sure...
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  What was the first thing you did...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when you left the man-made organization currently known as the wtbts??.

  and for those still "in" but mentally "out" what have you started doing thats against the silly, stupid and non-scriptural watchtower policy/law/rule??.

  i know the question has been made before on another thread but i couldn't find it and also there's been quite some growth in new ones here to jwn, so just wanted to see if we could all share some lovely/funny/random experiences.

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  I joined a D&D group.
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  What's your Myers-Briggs?

  by Londo111 in

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  2. friends

  i am infp.. some former witnesses in my hometown had a meetup last night...alas, only four of us.

  but it turned out we had an infp(me), two infjs, and an enfp.

  therefore, it turned out we were all idealists.

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  I went on a date with a pretty INTP...alas, she hurt my feelings and it took a few months to recover. Maybe it was due to my emotional naivety.