Londo111

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  Highlights from Leaked Bethel Videos - part 8, random stuff

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
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  this time we get to see a new shot of the interior of the gb's board room.

  this is where the magic happens lol.. .

  here's a picture of a british couple.

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  Londo111

  What other table should kings sit at?

  Which is likely their own viewpoint.
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  A non-Witnes who accepts 607 BC?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an eyebrow raiser to be sure.

  i can understand the clergyman being so baptist that he'd still use the name jehovah since it was popular in english and german churches for a long time during and after the reformation, but 607?.

  see ¶ 6 under the heading "the historicity of the book of daniel".

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  Londo111

  Needless to say this person has no credibility.
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  Did You Ever Luke ANY Songs From The “Songbook “?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i went on line looking for old jw songs and some of them were pretty good and some were just awful!.

  did you ever like any of those songs?

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  I really liked the Victory Song. And a handful of others.

  But even when I was mentally in, I thought most of the music was sub-par. And then the new songbook came out...and it was even worse! And now they've an even newer one...it's just all unlistenable.
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  Proposed Georgia(USA) Assembly Hall Collected Funds, 3.5 Million Dollars, donated to the World Wide Work

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from 2012 thru 2016, congregations in georgia and alabama collected funds to build a new assembly hall in south atlanta.

  to date, 3.5 million dollars was collected and 75 acres was purchased.

  the branch decided that this assembly hall was not needed.

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  It is jawdropping.

  In the old days, if JWs needed a Kingdom Hall or Assembly Hall, they saved up, then banded together and built it. Now with centralized control of Kingdom Hall properties, this is impossible.

  This is outright theft. Of course, I'm sure Watchtower has legal tricks up its sleeve to get away with it.
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  2018-Message From Watchtower Informant!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from one of our informants inside the watchtower.

  (same person whosent us videos from the legal dept., accounting dept., pioneer school,and so forth.

  ) atlantis told him that he is walking on a razors edge,to be extremely careful.his email message:1. watch tower has no right to demand you to sign a consent form.

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  Londo111

  A million thanks to the informant for all their work!

  I wish the laws in the US were such that I could take advantage of finding what data they have on me and removing it. I should have the right to revoke consent.

  Of course, any claims that there would be no penalties, Watchtower always finds a loophole. I suspect there will be penalties, but in court, they can minimize this with the usual smoke and mirrors.
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  Dating as a Jehovahs witness has made me PIMO

  by Addison0998 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey, i would like to share my experience, it is kind of long but i really appreciate whoever reads.

  last year i was a devout pioneer sister.

  well, i am naturally an imperfect 20 year old women.

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  I’m surprised that dating as a JW did not wake me up. It involved a whole bunch of drama.

  The organization has written and unwritten rules on dating, chaperones, group dates, never riding in the car alone, and so forth. Technically, breaking these doesn’t trigger a judicial committee and sometimes some young JWs seem to skirt these rules entirely.

  But the culture of JWs is such that makes dating very difficult. Not only the elders, but the whole community seems to be involved in the process. Some matches seem approved and fast tracked. Otherwise, dating is an uphill battle.

  In Dubtown, there are eyes and ears everywhere and even if you play by the rules, your activities will be noted, talked about and questioned at every turn.
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses always answer questions through the bible?

  by MarieChii in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi.. recently i've been researching jehovah's witnesses and their beliefs and found out that they don't believe in blood transfusions.

  so, i've asked one of my friends who is a jw as to what is the reason for this, and so far, they had always directed me to a bible verse that is in their bible.. clearly, i wasn't getting anywhere and so far, it's pretty much frustrating to even make my friend give me reasonable reason.

  when i was getting somewhere, even a smidgen, they would answer with a question.

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  In the JW mindset, the Bible is God’s word, and therefore the ultimate proof and trumps all other forms of evidence, no matter how concrete.

  In truth, their basis for reality is the Watchtower interpretation of a few dozen verse which are nearly always presented out of context. There is no true exegesis. If the Bible itself contradicts Watchtower interpretation, their interpretation always wins.

  Interpretation of the Bible is decided by the Governing Body. It takes a two thirds majority to change any teaching. If a JW disagrees they can find themselves in a secret backroom trial called a judicial committee, and they could be disfellowshipped for apostasy or “sowing divisions” and find themselves shunned by their family and friends.

  JWs have absolute trust in the Governing Body and their representatives.

  Even though they are not infallible, the mythos is they are “spirit directed”. Even if they get some things wrong occasionally, they’ve are viewed with the best of intentions. And besides God and Jesus chose them. If God and Jesus trust me…so should we!
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  Londo111

  Russell seemed to start out sincere, although very mistaken and deluded, but by no means an authoritarian. But I think success went to his head and he gradually became corrupt.

  By the turn of the century, he was mired in all sorts of scandals and shady business dealings. Miracle Wheat, the Solon Society, his separation and divorce from Maria (as well as what this revealed of his harsh treatment of her), his efforts to transfer his assets to Watchtower to avoid paying anything to Maria...whatever happened between himself and 25-year-old Rose Ball and his deception regarding this…and all this just scratches the surface.
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  Londo111

  It is straight from the Watchtower article about his death.

  Here are a few places this forum discussed it:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/75320/charles-taze-russell-his-roman-toga

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/58055/bring-me-toga

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/23129/please-wrap-me-roman-toga
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  Londo111

  It started in 1870 where Russell attended a presentation by Jonas Wendell, who had been a Millerite.

  In 1872, Russell met George Stetson at a church where he pastored. George Stetson was part of the Advent Christian Church (and had worked with George Storrs, another Adventists that was influential on Russell). Russell’s bond with George Stetson was great enough that he actually conducted George Stetson’s funeral.

  Then in 1876, Russell read one of Nelson Barbour's magazines Herald of the Morning that talked about 1874 being the invisible presence of Christ, ect, ect. He met with them and was bought the whole thing, including Barbour’s prediction for 1914.

  Barbour predicted that the rapture would be in 1878. Russell bought into it so much, he sold all five of his clothing stores, and backed Barbour’s publications.

  Of course, the 1878 failure caused Russell to rethink things, and by 1879 broke out on his own with Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence. Of course, he retained the whole thing about 1874 and 1914, and retooled 1878 into something invisible.

  I believe this is classic sunk cost fallacy. He had sold everything around believing the belief that the rapture was coming in 1878. Therefore, a failure meant that he rallied around that belief system.

  When Russell started his own magazine, he was anti-organization and the umbrella of Watchtower was big enough to accommodate varying viewpoints, including even Trinitarians. That changed after 1881.

  He evidently became a successful writer with the help of his wife Maria. But by the 1890’s, Russell seemed a very different person than he was when he started out. And by the end of his life, he had a following who regarded him the Faithful Slave and the Laocedean Messenger. As he died on a train in Texas, he asked to be dressed in a toga, and that is how he passed away.