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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Londo111

  Here is Bart Ehrman's take on the question:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/156150002/bart-ehrman-answers-my-question
  
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

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  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  Londo111

  In my area, the last two rows were reserved for latecomers, and in particular, those with small children. Sometimes it was reserved or cordoned off by attendants.
  

  Of course, most JWs find meetings dull as wall paper and would prefer to be at home or doing something else, or at least, not to have to go to the Kingdom Hall SO often. But they are under fear, obligation and guilt and feel compelled to attend.

  There seems a general tendency that most JWs do not like sitting up front. Often, counsel was given from the platform to counter this, because I think many JWs would prefer to sit in back and not feel like they are being watched by everyone sitting behind them. If one has social anxiety, this sense is even more acute.

  A DFed person who attends the Kingdom Hall has to endure allot of shame. It is an uphill battle for them to even walk in. I suspect this is so even for those without social anxiety.

  Therefore, rather than a rule, it’s a natural consequence for a DFed person to slip in during the song, sit as far back as they can, be as invisible as possible (with exception of the elders to note their attendance), and slip out during the final song.
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  Londo111

  The heck with that. As if I want to every step into a Kingdom Hall again.
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  My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

  by whatisthis12 in

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  i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

  when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

  we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

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  Londo111

  Imagine this scenario:

  Down the road you and your boyfriend decided to have children. There's a terrible car accident and your child needs a blood transfusion if they are going to live. Imagine he responds before you do (perhaps you are unconscious as well). Will he allow the child to have a blood transfusion?

  Heck...imagine YOU need the blood transfusion to save your life and are unconscious. Will he try to prevent the blood transfusion?

  What about fractions of blood? Will his conscience allow them? What if the fraction isn't a "conscience matter" as defined by Watchtower?

  Imagine this...what if he takes the kid the Kingdom Hall on occasion? Or decides he wants to have someone at the Kingdom Hall "study" with the kid (perhaps secretly...this has happened). Imagine this...the elders are aware that one of the JWs has molested children in the past, but have not warned the parents. In fact, that JW still goes door-to-door. Or perhaps the elders have heard of reports about a JW, but because there aren't "two witnesses" to the molestation, their hands are tied and they can't do anything about it.

  There are all sorts of nightmare scenarios if he is not mentally out. His parents would be actively attempting to study with and makes sure any children become JWs.
  
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Londo111

  Yep another good point.

  Jehovah = YHWH + the vowels of Adoni

  It was the result of a misunderstanding of a medieval Catholic scholar.
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  My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

  by whatisthis12 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

  when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

  we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

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  Londo111

  Yep...I think what OneEyedJoe said is the most comprehensive comment on this thus far. Read and reread it.
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  so confused!!

  by whatisthis12 in

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  is it possible to keep a somewhat relationship with your family if they are witnesses and have a "worldly" girlfriend?

  i just posted a post, and found this site to be very helpful.

  sorry to repost but my other thread brought up some other questions.

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  Londo111

  At the convention last year, they instructed JWs to shun those inactive who are committing things that could get them disfellowshipped, even if the elders have not dealt with them.

  If he is going to hear his sister spew cult nonsense from the platform and expose himself to the indoctrination sessions at the convention, he is not mentally awake. He will hear things that will turn the levers of Fear, Obligation and Guilt in his heart and mind. It might cause him to "return".

  He needs to wake up and see the cult for what it is. He needs to see the mind control. He needs to see the history, scandals and secrets the cult does not reveal. But if he is still under their influence, if you come on too strong against the cult, he will run from you.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Londo111

  While there are a few copies of the Septuagint where YHWH was used, there is no positive proof that YHWH appeared in the New Testament or that early Christian groups used the divine name. There is conjecture and guesswork by some scholars, but that is not positive evidence that firmly establishes it.
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  My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

  by whatisthis12 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

  when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

  we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

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  Londo111

  This relationship could work.

  Just make sure he wakes up mentally 100%.

  Otherwise, a hardship in life or world events could shake him and he could return. And that would doom your relationship. If you are married by that time, it would make for some tough challenges.

  People who are physically out will often still defend it. Often they don't understand that it is not "the Truth". Or even if they don't believe in the Bible anymore, they still believe it's the one closest to what the Bible teaches. Even if they know it's not the truth or representative of the Bible or Christianity, they don't understand it was a cult and they don't understand the mind control that they themselves and their loved ones were subjected to. It's very important to come to those realizations.

  If he is not waking up, it will take a matter of nuance in helping him do so...if you force it, it could badly backfire.
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  How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

  by waton in

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  `~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

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  Londo111

  Does this require some form of time travel?