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  Non JW friends don't understand

  by kozmo in

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  it never ceases to amaze me that your personal friends have no clue what it is like to have been one.

  i was speaking with a friend the other day about having been a jw.

  she said, oh i have a dear friend of 30 years who is one and she is so nice!

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  Londo111

  I agree. People who have never been JWs and have not really examined them do not understand. They will say things like, "Oh, they are nice people!" Or, "All religions do this or that." Or, "Why can't you just move on?"
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  The Business surrounding JW Pilgrimages (that is Bethel tours, Internationals)

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws take religious pilgrimages of various sorts, to the various bethels, to the bethel at the world hq, and to the international conventions.

  this was underscored by anthony morris iii who encouraged jw parents to take their children to bethel, gods house, not just amusement parks.

  many jws sign up with a tour group to do just that.

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  Londo111

  JWs take religious pilgrimages of various sorts, to the various Bethels, to THE Bethel at the world HQ, and to the International Conventions. This was underscored by Anthony Morris III who ‘encouraged’ JW parents to take their children to Bethel, “God’s House”, not just amusement parks.

  Many JWs sign up with a tour group to do just that. They take a tour bus, which not only drives them to the hotel and to the various Bethel facilities, but to touristy areas as well.

  And while a person could individually decide to visit Bethel when they are in the area on their own, for the International Convention, there seems no other option that I know of but to go through a business that arranges travel, hotels, as well as travel to the convention, local Branch facility, and tourist spots. I’ve had family that went to Europe as well as South America for Internationals as well, over 10 years ago.

  [[[From the video and pictures I’ve seen, it is always a full production with entertainment provided to show off the local culture at the Kingdom Hall or Branch facility. The 2014 dancing at the US Kingdom Hall to popular music is NOTHING new, but preceded the 2014 International by at least a DECADE before this. It merely gained visibility in 2014 because the International was in the US and went somewhat viral on Youtube.]]]

  Local entertainment aside, there seemed a business that has grown around these pilgrimages. When I was a JW and saw family going to Bethel or the International via these businesses, I wondered at this as well as the Circuit Leasing car business (a separate issue…what was “God’s organization” doing in the car business?).

  It seemed almost like the money changers who were making money off the pilgramages to the Temple. Not only did Jesus throw them out, he didn’t even allow people to take a shortcut through the temple for non-religious purposes.

  The Watchtower used this example to show how JWs should not network at the Kingdom Hall, and by extension, this sometimes got included to not even handing out invites to casual get-togethers in the Kingdom Hall parking lot: that would be a “shortcut” for non-spiritual matters! Of course, as a JW, I always thought that latter part was too extreme. But nonetheless, the businesses surrounding Bethel tours and Internationals, seemed to be very much like the Money Changers. I wondered why the Watchtower allowed it.

  What do we know about these JW Pilgrimage businesses? Have any had personal experience with them? I think this would be interesting for people with some business sense to look into.
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  Are the 2015 Belgium Concert for Delegates and Kingdom Hall Cowboy Footloose Videos on Youtube for real?

  by Maryo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0fxyk4iba.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxdgtaskfm.

  i find these shocking.

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  Londo111

  There seems to be an exception when it comes to the International convention. When my then mother-in-law went to Chile a number of years ago, they had a show that involved dancing according to local culture (I believe Dancing Gauchos) at the Branch or at the Kingdom Hall.

  This was about 10 years ago or so.
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  No Sports Cars Please!

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read on a jw forum that jw's came in for disapproval if they drove either sports cars or 2-door cars.

  the reasoning was that a driver couldn't easily take fellow dubbies out preaching in such a vehicle.

  was that ever official policy or just local nonsense from a grumpy po?.

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  In my neck of the woods, two-door cars were called "Baptist cars".

  Four doors were always a consideration when buying a car because of field service.
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  You know, I just listened to it...not bad. No bees were molested in the making of this song.
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  Do the Governing body really have the power some think they do?

  by sherrie11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mentioned this in a previous post, i feel the current gb truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file.

  they are deluded in their belief that they are guardians of the doctrine.

  they are suffering from cognitive dissonance just as much.

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  If Don Adams is now the chief, does that make the Governing Body Larrabee?
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  What is your relationship with ALCOHOL?

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. physical

  here in the uk new drinking guidelines have been issued which suggest "no more than 14 units a week - equivalent to six pints of beer or seven glasses of wine.".

  another piece of the advice which is getting a lot of attention is that "if people drink, it should be moderately over three or more days and that some days should be alcohol-free.".

  already people are making cries of "nanny state!

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  Londo111

  I don’t drink.

  I have had some alcoholic drinks on a rare occasion, but not enough to alter my mental state. I’ve never been intoxicated.

  My father was/is alcoholic and he could get rather monstrous sometimes. I never wanted to be like that.
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  How do jws break down the bible for Giliead school? Bible law, antitypes and what else?

  by average joe in

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  2. bible

  i know the proclamers book is studied but i would like to know how the bible is broken down into parts for study.

  i know theres a complete reading of the bible by time written, antitypes, bible law but how else is it broken into parts?

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  Londo111

  I seem to remember the Proclaimers book was covered in the Theocratic Ministry School. I remember being taken aback by the talk of Pyramids and 1874. But eventually that knowledge faded. I wish I had taken that sick feeling in my stomach up and began to do real research back then.
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  Another masterpiece from Maestro David Splane?
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  If JWs were to change their name what would they change it to?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was it 1931 when they adopted jehovah's witnesses?

  (at the time with lower case w) isn't it about time now they changed name again?

  i mean everything else is changing why not the name!

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  Londo111

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