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Londo111
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607 BC Discussion - JW Podcast
by God_Delusion inhi guys & gals,.
we finally get to tackle the 607 bc debate in our last show of the season.. please leave any comments here and let us know if you agree or disagree with any of the points we brought up about 607 bc.. http://www.jwpodcast.org/2015/05/24/s01e14-607-bc/.
love,jaymes.
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What triggered your doubts / awakening?
by Tornintwo ini am sort of new here, used a different username for a while but things got 'difficult' at home so i've since been lurking.... what i would be really interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, is what it was that triggered your doubts and initial research which led to awakening, was it a bad experience, injustice, changed doctrine?
for me, it was seeing mistreatment of young ones in the congregation, they're under so much pressure and as soon as they go even slightly astray they are shunned, either informally (as bad associations which pushes them further into the 'world') or formally - with elders dying to throw the book at them so they even lose their family.... ...then reading about child abuse issues in the press.... ...which led me to silentlambs.
...then jw facts, this forum and coc, wham!
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Londo111
It’s complicated.
Ultimately, what woke me up was digging into the October and November 2011 articles on 607 BC. It was a litmus test. After all, no 607, then no 1914. No 1914, no 1919. No 1919, the Watchtower did not represent a “faithful slave” and were not appointed by God.
If 607 were true, I would've go back heart and soul. But not only did I find it wasn’t true, I found the articles deceptive. It’s one thing to be mistaken, another thing to practice deception. And that was just one of many issues where Watchtower doctrine was not truth. The entire theology was a sham.
Of course, there were heartbreaks that led up to the litmus test. I could have gotten over them if I had found it was the truth.
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Book Burning and other burning of materials done by JW. Any experiences Please post
by adjusted knowledge inas a very young child i have memories of several book burnings done by jw families.
it wasn't something arranged by the congregation, but elders did participate in it.
it was actually scary for me as a child of only about 8 years old.
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Londo111
My father burned an NIV Bible a Pentecostal schoolmate gave me. Pentecostals were automatically suspect as carrying demons.
Likely not the only burning in my youth, but the one that comes readily to mind.
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my intro to the JW world
by rebelfighter insomeone suggested that i should introduce myself and how i got here.
this has been a crash course in the jw world.
i got an email that said "good bye, have a nice life".
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Londo111
Rebelfighter:
Thank you for joining this forum. It is always good to see an outsider's perspective.
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many newly baptised getting reproved and df'd!
by nowwhat? inparents are turning their children in for such offences as stealing from the cookie jar, not cleaning their room and worst of all, not eating their vegetables!
many parents are writing the org.
if they should shun their 8 year old.
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Londo111
A few years before I was baptized, I lied to my father (as typically children will do from time to time). My father went to the PO about it. But the PO had enough sense to shrug it off. -
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HELP - A Guide to Fade
by cognitivedizzy inhey everybody, been here lurking for years now... i tired of all the gb 2.0 shit and need to fade successfullydo we have a guide, i am very tempted to go out with a bang, but i want my wife with me, she aint a strong witness and would happily trust me ... i love her a lot.
status as of now,,, read coc isocf, been through jw facts and am convinced this religion is bs, also a ms now :( damn.
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Londo111
It tempting to go out with a bang, but usually people seem to regret their course in the long run and wish they had faded. Of course, since your wife is not awake, the following might not be an option for you.
If possible:
(1) move to another congregation, preferably in a neighboring circuit. The fewer people there that know you, the better. The busier the congregation, the better.
(2) Attend the new congregation once a week until your records arrive. Make few acquaintances, be as forgettable as possible. Take your seat a few minutes before the song, leave as soon as Amen is said.
(3) When your records arrive, quit attending…or taper off attendance.
(4) Screen your calls. If an elder calls to check on you, do not answer. Since you live outside their territory, it is unlikely they will visit. But always look through the peephole just in case. Don’t sign for certified mail if it comes from them.
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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?
by Xanthippe inwhen i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .
no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.
still people find it so hard to leave.
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Londo111
It's not easier to leave...because shunning carries a big stick.
It is easier to mentally awaken to TTATT then ever before. Before the internet, it was near impossible.
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Are the writers in the writing department purposely misquoting people?
by paulmolark inafter reading that great post about the june 1 article on science i got to thinking.
although it is great to believe there is this huge group of guys in the jw writing department that are constantly looking to mislead us by twisting the words of scientist etc... i really think it is more likely they are google researchers that do not have the ability to grasp the thoughts that are being expressed in the scientific article they quote mine from.. i honestly believe the reason that this happens is because of the individuals they use to write these magazines.
these are not college educated men.
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Londo111
This is the issue that woke me up. It is understandable to be mistaken or wrong...we all are. But when scholars are quoted out of context it seems lacking in journalistic integrity at best and deceptive at worst.
Of course, I've heard it explained this way by a former writer:
(1) People send in interesting quotes to the Watchtower.
(2) It is one person's job to verify the quote (that the words in the quote are accurate) and file these quotes away.
(3) Another person writing an article might reference from this system of quotes.
(4) If the person quoted complains, the feedback goes to another department, not Writing. The person who wrote the article and the person who filed the quote might not necessarily hear the complaint.
This system, that spans departments, is described as dysfunctional rather than unified. But apparently, these writers aren’t intentionally trying to be deceptive, they are just under extreme confirmation bias.
Sometimes though there are some cases that it would seem incredulous to believe that deception is not involved. Often is the case, the Watchtower often omits facts that would be "stumbling" to the "flock". They do not tell the entire truth.
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Informant-I consent for my relevant medical records to be shared with HLC!
by Atlantis infrom an informant who contacted atlantis:.
.. i consent to my relevant medical records and the details of my condition being shared with.
the emergency contact below and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee.
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Londo111
“The person who signed this document did so in my presence. He or she appears to be of sound mind and free from duress, fraud, or undue influence.”
If only the person signing the document understood undue influence, often completly invisible to appearances.
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I have never pushed the dislike button on purpose!!
by brandnew inso, if anybody ever got a dislike from me.....it was my fat thumbs trying to scroll down....sorry ; )
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Londo111
I hope I don't lose my microphone privledges...