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  What Made You Finally Wake Up?

  by Tenacious in

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  hello to all.

  i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

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  Londo111

  Short story: 607 BC

  Long story:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYg5-Zrxr4I&index=2&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDObKrZeV2TAX1jZdQUaGY8
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  Londo111

  Good point: your son will have a support network should he leave. Many people here have found themselves cast out without that luxury.

  The problem is not the individuals--they are all mentally captive, just like your son, under ‘undue influence’. They sincerely believe they are being loving even when directed to act in the opposite manner. The group has a mind of its own. It’s almost as if the group mind ‘possesses’ them, overriding their authentic selves.

  Hopefully there is advice in the book Freedom of Mind that can be of use in your situation.
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  Londo111

  I can understand your pain…many of us here are undergoing it, if at a slightly different angle. The good thing is that you were never a JW and cannot be disfellowshipped.

  Browsing through some of your previous posts, four years is allot of indoctrination for your son. Unfortunately, this video is about those who are just getting involved, a year or less, prior to the making a commitment.

  Steven Hassan recommends appealing to the loved one’s authentic self, reminding him of happy times before the cult.

  From a JW perspective, technically there is no reason for him not to have contact with you. After all, the Bible says, “honor your father and mother”. There are even magazine quotes that show a person should not have to choose between family and religion (ironically). Perhaps sharing these quotes from their own publications could stir him to stay in contact with you.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/174959/1/No-One-Should-Be-Made-to-Choosee280a6-LIES-from-July-09-Awake

  Note the scan. In particular, the subheading, "Balancing Family Loyalty".
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  Londo111

  Dear Non-JW:

  Do you have a friend or family member who is studying? There are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organization’s unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.

  However, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference. The wrong approach might actually drive them deeper into the Jehovah’s Witness organization, not away from it. The following are a few tips that might be helpful. It is not the complete solution, but hopefully it will get you started and pointed in the right direction.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-JKQWcu63s&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgAPkxpoL6pOB0CdY5anHbLC&index=7

  Hopefully this series will provide you an understanding of the Jehovah’s Witness mindset.

  Series playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgAPkxpoL6pOB0CdY5anHbLC
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Actually the transition from 606 to 607 didn’t happen until the 40’s, post-Rutherford, and it happened by steps.

  Russell's chronology (or Barbour’s) had the 70-years end with the fall of Babylon, which was actually the right event to end the 70 years with (Jeremiah 25:12), but it was dated to 536 BC. Therefore, by subtracting 70 years from 536 BC, they came to 606 BC. That is how they dated the destruction of Jerusalem.

  As mentioned, the Gentile Times equation did not account for there being no 0 year. Therefore, 2520 years added to 606 BC, ended in 1915.

  So the chronology of calculating 1914 from Jerusalem's destruction had two errors.

  Once it became apparent that Babylon fell in 539 BC, not 536 BC, that had to be corrected. However, subtracting 70 years from that yielded 609 BC, therefore the Gentile Times equation would come out to 1912.

  So the event that ended the 70 years changed from when Babylon fell, to when the Jews returned to Jerusalem and ended the Exile. This was set at 537 BC, although there is no way to prove this from Scripture. It is conjecture. Besides, Ezra 1:1 and 3:1 seem to indicate the Jews returned in the fall of 538 BC.

  However, that was the only way they could get the Gentile Times equation to work (this time accounting for the 0 year).
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Thank you, Ann! That is a high endorsement coming from you.

  I learned a whole bunch from y'all three years ago (about this time October/November 2011). It helped me see TTATT.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/215282/1/WT-Nov-1-2011-public-When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Part-2
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  Londo111

  Tiredroadie: You have a PM.
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Thanks, wolfman85!

  For all the videos in one place: www.jwlove.org/607bc

  As far as the "signs of the times" to prove 1914: www.jwlove.org/1914ad
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  No longer to use "house to house record" slips and "please follow up slips"!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a letter has just been read out indicating that effective immediately, witnesses are no longer to use the s-8 slip known as the "house to house" record slip, as well as the s-43 "please follow up" slip (usually used for foreign language people).. the letter stated that this is because of the changes in privacy laws etc that are becoming common in the world today.. i will try and get a copy of the full letter and post it asap.. .

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  Londo111

  What branch was this letter for?

  I wonder how not-at-homes would be tracked. They were the bread and butter of getting time in.
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  Hello!

  by mikeypants in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wanted to say hello to you all.

  i am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself.

  i was raised a witness, never baptized (yay) and am married to a lovely baptized witness of jehovah.. i had been trying to get back into it due to both our families being j dbs but just never could get it into my heart.

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  Londo111

  Welcome, mikeypants! I think you made the right decision. Keep researching both sides from an objective distance.