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  Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

  by Diogenesister in

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  watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

  the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

  he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

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  Jehovah hates a liar.
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  Apostates apparently have their own terminology

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. bible

  a dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.

  "those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.

  “8 old men in new york”,.

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  "Those who devote their life to criticize Jehovah’s Witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:
  “Watchtower”
  “overlapping generation”

  Let that sink in for a minute...

  “old light”

  The Watchtower coined the term "New Light". If there is New Light there has to be Old Light. Otherwise it would all just be Light.
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  Hypothetical Bible question for Christians

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

  reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.

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  ...is it possible that Satan issued a challenge regarding Adam & Eve, just as he did with Job?

  No.

  In the Hebrew Bible there is no Satan. There is "the satan" or "accuser. A satan is referred to 9 times in the Hebrew texts. Five times to describe a human military, political or legal opponent, and four times with reference to a divine being. In Numbers 22, the prophet Balaam, hired to curse the Israelites, is stopped by a messenger from Israel’s God YHWH, described as “the satan” acting on God’s behalf.

  Remember the Sadducees? There were the larger of the 2 sects of Judaism practioners with the Pharisees being the newer, more progressive sect. They were self-appointed to keep the Jewish religion pure from outside religious influence. The Sadducees were a longer standing group with some influence.

  Remember the two doctrines that set them apart from the Pharisees -

  1. No resurrection
  2. No angels

  So the "Satan" of Job is actually just "a satan" or "accuser" which was the legal term given to the plaintiff of a court case.

  3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

  Notice Genesis 3:1 says "the serpent". In Hebrew the word here that is used is "nachash" which translates into snake (noun), deviner (verb), shining one (adjective). It can't be the noun (snake) because later on in chapter 3 of Genesis we find out that this nachash is cursed to eat dust. I know of no animal that eats dust, let alone a snake.

  In addition, the verb form of nachash means "deviner" or "witchcraft," but it also came to mean "to guess."

  Satan being a fallen angel did not become part of any belief system until angels became part of the Jewish society. That did not occur until around the 2nd or 1st century BCE. Enter the Pharisees and the Apostle Paul - a Pharisee. It is not until the New Testament that Paul starts speaking of Satan the Devil as being a specific heavenly person and chief opposer of God. Paul's writing predates the Gospels. Paul writes as if an actual snake had become possessed by an angel and temped Eve.

  What makes more sense -

  • Eve is tempted by her own desires (nachash or "to guess" aka "second guess") or
  • There was a snake possessed by an angel that began to talk and later ate dust?
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  "here is the Christ"

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking about the scriptures at matt 24:23-26 .

  the time period does appear to be during great tribulation...anyway, it is telling us not to believe it when people are telling us christ is in the wilderness or in his inner rooms.

  it would be false christs and false prophets promoting this.

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  We have in essence been told," Here is the Christ"...what do you think?

  I think 2 things -

  1. You are absolutely correct.
  2. There would be no guessing. That is why the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah. Whomever allegedly said the words that were written at Matthew 24:23-26 was not the Messiah.
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  Naked in the New World

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know there was a painting of a woman being resurrected naked and someone coming to greet her holding clothes, but what about after perfection, after the thousand years?.

  the idea is we're supposed to achieve what adam lost by returning to human perfection, so wouldn't that include not wearing clothes, especially as the act of adam and eve hiding in the trees and sewing fig leaves signified shame, and imperfection passed on through the reproductive organs.

  has the wt ever addressed this?

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  That's one of the strangest parts of the Bible, IMO. Why, in that scenario, would nudity have been "bad"? I mean, talk about terrible writing: whoever came up with this idea was... trying to explain why people have to... wear clothing? And that was his best guess? "nudity is evil"?
  Even if we accept it as a metaphor of some kind, it's awfully clumsy. Adam and Eve gain the ability to discern right from wrong, and their first thought is "whoa, we're naked!" Really? You mean like every other living creature around you?

  It speaks volumes. One does not even need to get to the global flood a few chapters later to realize it is all a mythological tale used to try explain things. Jewish mythology is no different then say Greek or Norse mythology.
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  Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in july the congregation received $2300.00.

  only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.

  if this is typical no wonder the org.

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  I call that a good start.
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  Can TiKToK spy on you?

  by Fisherman in

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  several years ago i was having a conversation with a neighbor inside a store and he told me that he was in the park one day with a friend who was then struck by lightning and after a few moments after being struck they walked away from there and while they were walking away my neighbor told me that his friend got hit by lightning a second time ki&&ing him.

  after telling me this story lightning struck and we heard thunder.

  coincidence or act of god?

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  Tik Tok is a Chinese based company. 51% of all companies in China are owned by the Chinese Communist Party. Everything you watch or post on Tik Tok is at the fingertips of the CCP to use.
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  Naked in the New World

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know there was a painting of a woman being resurrected naked and someone coming to greet her holding clothes, but what about after perfection, after the thousand years?.

  the idea is we're supposed to achieve what adam lost by returning to human perfection, so wouldn't that include not wearing clothes, especially as the act of adam and eve hiding in the trees and sewing fig leaves signified shame, and imperfection passed on through the reproductive organs.

  has the wt ever addressed this?

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  Adam and Eve were created perfect, without sin. That means they did not have the desire to act in opposition to God's laws. They were also created without the knowledge of what was right and what was wrong.

  Only after eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad did Adam realize he was naked. Adam acquired the knowledge of good and bad as did Eve. In short - Adam and Eve had no idea what a sin was prior to eating from the tree. Apparently, being naked in public is a sin.

  This is all an exercise in arguing over who is stronger - Superman of The Hulk.
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  The elephant in the room post

  by joey jojo in

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  2. friends

  is it ok to talk about the ongoing post about 'he who must not ne named"?.

  my perspective: im a neutral observer.

  i dont know lloyd evans, im not an active member of any ex-jw group (except this one i guess).

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  Lloyd Evans has criticised WT policies which cover up child sex abuse. He can't, or shouldn't, then go around seeing Thai prostitutes, many of whom could have been underage and/or forced into sex work.

  LoveUniHateExams for the win!
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  Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  why has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?

  considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!

  book " man's search for god.what do you think?

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  One reason is the major change in how the Watchtower once pressured Jehovah's Witnesses to be competent in making a "fine witness" through "personal study". Witnesses were expected study on their own to make their public ministry more effective. In this case, Witnesses would have to study Islam to effectively engage on the topic with Muslims.

  The Watchtower has changed its stance on this. Personal study has been reduced. Witnesses are actually discouraged getting into deep topics of faith. The fear of the Watchtower is that Witnesses will find out the truth about the Truth.

  It is easier to witness to persons who profess to be of a Christian faith (common belief system) and simply ask them to visit the JW website or watch a video.

  The Watchtower knows good and well that new members have predominately always been the children of current members. Out of fear of current members becoming educated and leaving it is safer to limit witnessing.

  Side Note:

  There are 3 Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All 3 are manmade religions. Christianity simply hitched its wagon onto Judaism, which is a manufactured story of a people who were desperate not to lose their national identity from being conquered by every world empire through history.