Thanks for bringing my attention to Philo of Alexandria. Interesting. It looks like there were at least 2 sects of Christianity existing during the time of Paul writing the Epistles. One sect says the Jesus of the Gospels are an allegory to which Paul refutes.
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Refuting the Alleged Evidence of Jesus' Resurrection
by truth_b_known inin the past few months there have been a few debates on this site over alleged evidence of the resurrection of jesus.
this can be a hot topic as most would agree that without the resurrection of jesus there would be no christianity.
i am not so sure of that, but i am more sure that dr. gary habermas' minimal facts approach to the resurrection has no evidentiary basis.. here is a 22 minute video on the topic.
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Refuting the Alleged Evidence of Jesus' Resurrection
by truth_b_known inin the past few months there have been a few debates on this site over alleged evidence of the resurrection of jesus.
this can be a hot topic as most would agree that without the resurrection of jesus there would be no christianity.
i am not so sure of that, but i am more sure that dr. gary habermas' minimal facts approach to the resurrection has no evidentiary basis.. here is a 22 minute video on the topic.
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1. Roman historian Tacitus (Annals 15.44), c. 100AD.
Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome[Tacitus wrote] at a time when Christians themselves had come to believe that Jesus had suffered under Pilate. There are three reasons for holding that Tacitus is here simply repeating what Christians had told him. First, he gives Pilate a title, procurator [without saying procurator of what! FRZ], which was current only from the second half of the first century. Had he consulted archives which recorded earlier events, he would surely have found Pilate there designated by his correct title, prefect. Second, Tacitus does not name the executed man Jesus, but uses the title Christ (Messiah) as if it were a proper name. But he could hardly have found in archives a statement such as “the Messiah was executed this morning.” Third, hostile to Christianity as he was, he was surely glad to accept from Christians their own view that Christianity was of recent origin, since the Roman authorities were prepared to tolerate only ancient cults. - G.A. Wells The Historical Evidence for Jesus; p.16
2. Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities 18.3), c. 90AD.
Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man...a doer of wonderful works—a teacher. when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.- No loyal Pharisee would say Jesus had been the Messiah.
- Josephus did not believe in Jesus as the Messiah, i.e., as “the Christ.”
- The text does not appear in earlier manuscripts of Antiquities of the Jews and is believed to be a forgery.
“Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.” John E. Remsburg, The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence
The writes referred to by Remsburg who lived during or within a century of 30CE -
- Josephus Juvenal
- Lucanus
- Philo-Judæus
- Martial
- Epictetus
- Seneca
- Persius
- Hermogones Silius Italicus
- Pliny Elder
- Plutarch
- Statius
- Arrian
- Pliny Younger
- Ptolemy
- Petronius Tacitus
- Appian
- Dion Pruseus
- Justus of Tiberius
- Phlegon
- Paterculus
- Apollonius
- Phædrus
- Suetonius
- Quintilian Valerius Maximus
- Pausanias
- Dio Chrysostom
- Lysias
- Florus Lucius
- Columella
- Pomponius Mela
- Lucian
- Valerius Flaccus
- Appion of Alexandria
- Quintius Curtius
- Damis
- Theon of Smyrna
- Aulus Gellius
- Favorinus
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An offer in exchange for some help.
by JeffT inas some of you might recall, i self-published a novel last fall.
i hoped “armageddon’s disciples” would be successful as my previous works (an alternate history trilogy) had done well.
not so with “disciples.” i’ve sold a total of nine copies.
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I agree with WingCommander. Exposure is everything. If I read it I will buy it. I believe in supporting writers.
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Memorial invite
by JoenB75 innow they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.
it always makes me a bit sad.
i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.
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It's an elaborate ballet of moronity. - FFGhost
I was just thinking the same thing! Add to that the speaker walks off the stage, sits down passes the emblems, and then goes back on the stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZv62ShoStY
"Pass the wine to the left...the left...left
Now take it back..."
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Owe Raymond Franz my life anyone else??
by Witness 007 inso imagine a governining body member faithful slave who's uncle wrote the new world translalation bible and predicted 1975 would be armagedon writes a book in 1980 that changed my whole life...thank you raymond franz for setting me and my wife free love this man forever.
true pioneer!
👍 love ❤️ .
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I remember Ed Dunlap and had a lot of respect for Commentary of James. Probably the best book the Watchtower published.
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Owe Raymond Franz my life anyone else??
by Witness 007 inso imagine a governining body member faithful slave who's uncle wrote the new world translalation bible and predicted 1975 would be armagedon writes a book in 1980 that changed my whole life...thank you raymond franz for setting me and my wife free love this man forever.
true pioneer!
👍 love ❤️ .
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I think all active JWs owe it to Ray to read his book. Why is ok to read all the articles and books he wrote prior to Crisis of Conscious, but not CoC itself? Hypocrites!
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Refuting the Alleged Evidence of Jesus' Resurrection
by truth_b_known inin the past few months there have been a few debates on this site over alleged evidence of the resurrection of jesus.
this can be a hot topic as most would agree that without the resurrection of jesus there would be no christianity.
i am not so sure of that, but i am more sure that dr. gary habermas' minimal facts approach to the resurrection has no evidentiary basis.. here is a 22 minute video on the topic.
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In the past few months there have been a few debates on this site over alleged evidence of the resurrection of Jesus. This can be a hot topic as most would agree that without the resurrection of Jesus there would be no Christianity. I am not so sure of that, but I am more sure that Dr. Gary Habermas' Minimal Facts Approach to the resurrection has no evidentiary basis.
Here is a 22 minute video on the topic. From 1:30 to 6:41 the video addresses the scholars who agree with the minimal facts in Habermas' Minimal Facts. It is telling.
Over all the video is well worth the 22 minutes of your life spent watching it.
Remember, the Norse god Odin promised to rid the Earth of ice giants. There are no ice giants alive today. There is no other evidence for the lack of ice giants so Odin must be real. We even have a day of the week named after Odin (Wednesday aka "Woden's Day") and since our modern calendar uses Odin's name Odin must be a historical figure. Thursday is named after Thor ("Thor's Day") and Friday is named after Frey (aka Frigg for "Frigg's Day").
If you don't believe in Odin, Thor, and Freya it may be because of this saying -
"The difference between a Christian and an atheist is an atheist believes in one less god."
or not.
Either way, I do not appreciate intellectual dishonesty by those who purport to be academic scholars.
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Vid obsession
by punkofnice ini'm interested in your thoughts.. the media tells us a lot of agenda driven propaganda.
you're hard pressed to spot truth these days.. however, i'm told that the rona is now just a rotten flu and not the plague we were originally terrified in to believing.
last time i heard it was down in the hit parade to 16th nasty health thing.. all the people and family i know that have had the rona, have been complaining it's a very crappy flu.
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One more important piece of information I received - If you contract COVID-19 do not get vaccinated or get boosters.
My doctor told me not to get my booster now that I have contracted COVID-19. I buddy of mine got his booster after contracting COVID-19. He had a mini-stroke as a result of it.
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Lies, Damn Lies.
by Lost in the fog inhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/home-and-garden/jehovahs-witnesses-to-resume-in-person-services-opt-not-to-resume-door-to-door-ministry/ar-aavnxv0 .
so apparently robert hendricks the spin doctor of the wt society has been proudly telling news channels how wonderful the wt org has been during the 2 years of the pandemic, checking in with each and every member to meet their needs on a weekly basis.. except, based on the comments of former jw friends on facebook, it's news to most of them since they are screaming out that they were totally neglected by the elders/ms throughout most of that period.
a couple even said that because of being ignored by the congregation during this time, that they have walked away completely.
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Need to cross alligator infested rivers to get to the Kingdom Hall? Attend the meetings.
Government putting JWs into gulags or worse? Attend the meetings.
COVID-19 germs floating around? Stay home and no door-to-door ministry for 2 years!
I remember before I left the JWs the elders wanted to conduct a shepherding call on my family. They asked if they could come over after a Sunday morning meeting. I said, "No. I work Sundays after the meeting. You can come over weeknights after I get off work." They never did.
There is no way in Hades elders were helping fellow Witnesses out during the lockdowns.
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Hines v. Watchtower, et al, Plaintiff's Opposition to GB's Motion to Dismiss
by DNCall inlast friday, plaintiff hines' opposition to the above motion was filed.
it appears to me that the zalkin firm eviscerates the gb's motion.
in plaintiff's memorandum of law, it is clearly presented that the elements of hines' complaint are of the type protected by ny law against motions to dismiss.
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"No weapon formed against [us] will have any success" - Isaiah 54:17
I guess the secular authorities must be riding in iron chariots.