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Question for parents with a believing co-parent

by Anony Mous in

my daughter is being raised in a pimi household and spends a significant time with me in a pomo household.

i don’t pressure her to believe, so she is thinking/pressured about becoming a jw from the other end, so she is reluctant about celebrating holidays and birthdays, but as any kid, she loves the gifts and attention, so she will “not celebrate but still do things”.. she is becoming a teenager however, and showing interest in not-so-jw-things.

her mother forbids star wars for violence and magic, but she wants to watch it, she wants a few horror video games, she wants to shoot things and go hunting but guns aren’t allowed, so i’ve compromised for archery.. what do parents of teenagers do?

truth_b_known

Anony Mous:

I am not sure where you live. I live in the U.S. and the state I live in treats teenage children of divorced parents a little different then when the child is younger. There comes a point in time where the court will let the child decide which parent he or she wants to live with.

Of course, this would mean filing to modify the orders previously handed down and that will require money. If your ex decides to contest the modification you will need an attorney. That will require a lot of money.

Here's a comprise - when your daughter is with you she is free to decide on her own to do as she pleases as long as it is legal, safe, and not against your house rules. In exchange your daughter is free to have your ex impose her religious practices on your daughter with one caveat - no baptism until your daughter is a legal adult and living outside your ex's home.

If your ex is not agreeable to the arrangement I would sue for primary custodial parent under the premise that your ex is damaging our child's growth by imposing the Jehovah's Witness religion on her. You are agreeable with your daughter attending meetings, assemblies, etc., but your daughter should be able to chose whether she is going to dedicate her life to a publishing company once she is an adult.

My wife got out before I did. I agreed that our children would choose their own path. In fact, I think the only thing I was opposed to was having a Christmas Tree in the house. There was no argument. A few months later I was out and that December I bought our first Christmas Tree.

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Don't take my booze!

by David.L.Henson in

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a direct confirmation that judge joseph rutherford, 2nd president of the watchtower organization, had a weak spot for good whisky, can be found in the following hilarious watch tower article.. the u.s. congress had passed the spirit prohibition law, and the judge was absolutely furious that these "servants of satan" tried to take his booze away.. the watch tower, which according to fred franz had jehovah as editor during these days, directly stated that christians could not "participate in" such a prohibition.

in other words, they had to smuggle and drink booze to be loyal to god.

the jws are unfortunately a much more boring sect these days.. the watchtower, november 1, 1924prohibition.

truth_b_known

Wow! This is the same organization that states that Romans 13:1-7 is sufficient reason to obey the earthly authorities as long as what is being required is in direct violation of God's law. In the same article we see 2 statements - 1) liquor and saloons are evil as well as 2) prohibition is evil.

Why is prohibition evil? Because it is Satan or mankind trying to rid the earth of evil and that's Jehovah's job. I guess murder, rape, robbery, and theft laws are also evil because that is just mankind doing Satan's bidding.

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Debating Disassociation

by B_Deserter in

it's been about 10 years since i posted here.

a lot's happened of course.

but here's where i'm at right now.. i was never (to my knowledge) disfellowshipped.

truth_b_known

If you want to be free you must stop thinking in Watchtower terms. Words are tokens or placeholders for ideas. If you are wondering if you should Disassociate yourself you are still practicing the religion in your head.

The easiest way to protect your daughter is to let her grow up free and happy. How many birthday parties has she had or attended? What is Christmas like at your house? How many friends does she regularly play with who live in the neighborhood or are classmates? Does she have any hobbies that require associating with people such as organized sports or other activities?

Most of my own children got a taste of life as a Jehovah's Witness. All of them at some point started experiencing normal life events like birthdays, holidays, and peer related activities such as school sports or clubs. All of them are in agreement - Being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not for them.

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It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?

by pistolpete in

what is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.

some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.

yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.

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One Word: PRIDE

This is probably the simplest answer which is why it makes the most sense.

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Overweight Jehovah’s Witnesses

by minimus in

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what was your kingdom hall like when it came to overweight witnesses?

i remember counseling some people on their drinking habits.

a few snickered that if we were going to counsel them because they have had way too many at a wedding reception, what about very overweight witnesses that have a lifestyle of overindulgence?

truth_b_known

I don't advocate for disfellowshipping, but the principle for disfellowshipping for smoking applies to overeating or eating food known to be unhealthy or that leads to heart disease, diabetes, etc.

There are factors that make gluttony or overeating a serious offense. In the case of one who gluttonously overeats, his desire for food has gotten out of control. He greedily consumes it without consideration for the fact that he has no right to misuse God’s gifts. Hence, by disobediently overindulging in food and making a glutton of himself, he fails to show love for Jehovah God. Why so? Because, as the Bible says: “This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments.”—1 John 5:3. Watchtower, March 15, 1974

What is the quickest way to tell if someone overeats? Simple - the person is overweight. If you consume more than your body needs you are overeating.

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It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?

by pistolpete in

what is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.

some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.

yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.

truth_b_known

Humans will believe things that are false if it benefits them personally. It is a defense mechanism of the Ego, which in itself is a mental illusion. A sudden end of the Ego when it is not self induced is a traumatic experience and can cause post traumatic stress disorder. In short, the new information presented is in conflict with highly esteemed beliefs. The brain sees this as an attack on the belief holder (which it isn't) and acts accordingly - an emotional response. The easiest quickest response is anger or to attack.

I think some people might point to the Sunk Cost Fallacy, which is an economic concept that sometimes can be applied to areas of or personal lives. This is why it is so hard for born-in Witnesses who reach their 40s, 50s, etc. The more time in the harder it is to get out of the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Description: Reasoning that further investment is warranted on the fact that the resources already invested will be lost otherwise, not taking into consideration the overall losses involved in the further investment.

I believe that reason number one is most likely the answer. Be presenting the father with evidence that his beliefs are inaccurate the mental construct of himself (Ego) is perceived to be under attack. The brain responds the same as if he were under a real attack of a physical danger such as a dangerous, wild animals or physical assault from a person. Logic, reason, and rational thought are unable to function when emoting.

If the person were to genuinely and compassionately ask their father what the father was feeling when pinned down with the question, it is my belief the father would respond with "I felt angry."

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Divorcing a wife

by road to nowhere in

the part in the meeting this week about jehovahs loving provisions for women.

all about the certificate of divorce and remarriage.

my wife wondered where the provision was for a wife with a rotten husband.

truth_b_known

Wives were considered "property" rather than "persons" in most of the "civilized" western world until just a few centuries ago.

The purpose of marriage in the part of the world that the Israelites/Canaanites came from was all about property rights. The only wealth at the time was land and farm animals. Only men were allowed to possess these things. A man needed a male heir to leave these things to. Women had no inheritance. Women depended on their first born male child to provide for them once their husband died.

This is also why the practice of polygamy ended. If a man was in a relationship with multiple women, each women having a male child with the same man would argue over who the rightful heir was. The practice of choosing one woman to produce a male heir was created.

This is why the Israelites had the practice of a man marrying his sister-in-law if a male heir had not been produced by his brother and brother's wife. Once the man died the son produced with his sister-in-law would inherit the woman's first husband's property and then take care of the widow.

It wasn't until the 17th century Romance Movement that people started marrying for love. Prior to that marriage was a business arrangement for families to acquire land and expand power. That is not to say that married people didn't love one another or marrying for love didn't happen prior to the 17th century.

So, yes, there was no certificate for divorce for women in the days of Moses as women were treated like second class citizens. Much hasn't changed in that part of the world. The Judeo-Christian belief system still propagates these ideas. Christians can talk all they want about how the Bible orders men to love their wives. Out of the other side of their mouths they preach women should be subjective to men and be silent.

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Support widows

by road to nowhere in

this weeks meeting part.

boy did they miss it while a hug is nice a scripture will not mow the yard, fix a flat, or pay the bills.

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Here's exhibit "A" as to why the Watchtower should lose its not for profit tax exemption. I was born in and left when I was 36. In all my 36 years as a Witness I never once saw a congregation give financial support to one of its needy members or any needy person. Never!

There were individuals who would give money. However, there was never anything said from the platform. There was never any organized effort. It was always the needy person going to another member directly to ask for help.

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Increase = Jehovah’s Blessing?

by Reservations in

i’ve been trying to find any recent quotes that say the increase in witnesses every year is evidence of jehovah’s blessing on the organisation.. i know the ready made excuse if there is a decrease is “love of greater number will cool off”….

after splanes talk i can feel a significant decrease coming..

truth_b_known

There many religions around the world that are experiencing an increase in members as well, so does that mean Jehovah is blessing them too ?

Watchtower Logic Flowchart -

Is it about Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower?

Yes.

Is it good?

Yes.

It's Jehovah's blessing.

If "No"

It's Apostate lies.

Is it something about anything related to non-Jehovah's Witnesses religions?

Yes.

Is it something good?

Yes.

It's Satan.

If "No".

It's Satan.

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Did You Think The Majority of Elders Were “Qualified “?

by minimus in

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in my opinion, in a body of elders let’s say with 7 elders , 2 or 3 were pretty much on the ball.

they were reasonable, intelligent and moderate.

the others were either extremely extreme about everything or very liberal.. did you have qualified older men or were they all lousy to you?

truth_b_known

I will answer using the following definition of "qualified" -

Qualified: Having a solid knowledge of both the Bible and Watchtower doctrine, literate, strong public speaking ability, able to teach, able to keep confidential matters confidential, able to delegate workloads, general managerial skills, and the ability to give kind counsel on the previous mentioned items.

Answer: No.

The congregation I spent the most of my time in had at least 1 elder who could barely read or hold a conversation. It wasn't just his age. He was never on any committee of any type. He rarely had any parts on the meeting.

I also found it interesting that a lot of people in the congregation seemed to find out about confidential matters.

I also received a lot of anger from elders when it came to counselling. I don't mean I committed a minor or serious sin. I mean something as simple as not starting a song fast enough from the sound booth or being successful in tying in all the shut-ins on the phoneline.

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