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Ok, We Need To Talk About The Latest Caleb & Sophia Cartoon

by pale.emperor in

(as of 10 sep 2020) there's a new caleb & sophia cartoon in which the org puts into the minds of children the idea that celebrating a birthday will cause jehovah to not want to be your friend anymore.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/trailer-jehovah-forgives/.

can you imagine being 6 years old and thinking god himself is no longer your friend because you blew out a candle on a birthday cake or wished someone a happy birthday?.

as bad as all this is, the birthday thing is just one of many jw rules that isnt even supported by scripure.

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The whole birthday prohibition is definitely a feet of mental gymnastics and no evidence on behalf of the Watchtower. There is no mention in the Bible of anyone celebrating anyone's birthday. Even the two Biblical incidents the Watchtower uses in which they state "the only 2 mentions of birthdays in the Bible someone is killed" are not identified as birthday celebrations in the Bible.

The Watchtower reasoning of "birthdays give honor to a person and all honor belongs to Jehovah" is also non-Biblical nonsense. "Honor thy father and mother" is in the Bible. Even Jesus quoted that. Last time I checked fathers and mothers are people.

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David Splane's 2020 Conventionl talk ....''Jehovah has to come first''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

'' has your desire to put jehovah first been tested during this pandemic?

you lost your job and you searched for another one.

finally, after a long search, you found one but it was a job that would require you to miss all your meetings and field service.

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Meanwhile in the first century Christian congregation:

"Brothers, I lost my job due to a plague affecting my land."

"Fear not, brother. Go over to that Ministerial Servant. He will give you enough coin from the congregation coffers to purchase your needs for the week. Have you and your family a place to stay?"

"No, brother! Our land owner had some centurions evict use from where we stayed."

"Fear not, brother. You and your family will stay with my family. We have plenty of room."

"Thank you brothers! May the Lord bless you all!"

Meanwhile, at JW HQ circa 2020 AD:

"Lost your job, brothers? Keep praying! Whatever you do, don't miss a meeting and keep donating so we have a comfy place to live at your expense."

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Needing to Questions Elders to Help Husband Understand

by Unlikely-pack-6349 in

my husband insist that i talk to the elders.

it is something i 100% plan on doing for the simple fact of my relationship with him.

i know some of you may disagree but it seems like the best option for us.. problem/question: .

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One thing you could do is expose how Jehovah's Witnesses, just like almost every other Christian denomination, fail to obey Jesus. According to the Watchtower, after the Apostles all died, the Christian Congregation became apostate (i.e. the Roman Catholic Church was born) and it wasn't until Rutherford in 1919 that there was true, pure worship on Earth. Take a look at the Christian Congregation back in the first and second centuries.

Acts shows us that Christians sold their land and belongings. The donated all their wealth to the congregation. All of it. They used these funds to take care of one another in a commune way of life. The whole "Ministerial Servant" arrangement was made because gentile Christians complained that their people were being provided for like the Jewish Christians.

They met in private homes and preached the Gospel. New converts were baptized on the same day they accepted the Gospel. Not one Apostle ever wrote a book on policy and procedure for Christian congregation nor was any book required to be studied by a convert prior to baptism.

So why don't Jehovah's Witnesses practice the true Christian life? Did Rutherford or any of his successors at the Watchtower have some sort of divine revelation that the Apostles didn't? You can't say that it is impossible to live this way in the modern world when these folks are doing it in our own backyard -

http://www.wearechurch.com/structure-1

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Dutch JW publish open letter protesting accusations of mishandling child abuse and government inquiry

by Anders Andersen in

today watchtower netherlands published an open letter in a national newspaper, lamenting the accusations about them not handling child abuse issues very well.. they protest a scientific report made by utrecht university (by request of the government).. they protest almost everything our minister of justice has said about them.. they place themselves in the role of victims of unfair treatment, discrimination.. they point their finger a other religions (foremost the catholic church) because they are much worse.. they refer to jw being persecuted in wwii, as if that were relevant to the issue at hand.. all in all, they (probably) spent about 25k to 30k euro to publish their bullshit in a national newspaper.. not a single trace of any self-awareness, let alone even a hint of an apology.

quite the contrary.. they suck.. the minister of justice tweeted "this is exactly the problem: they spend money on lawsuits and expensive ads instead of improving help for victims #fail".. see the translation of the jw letter here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ilair1/open_dutch_letter_a_little_better_english.

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I am starting to come to the conclusion that any argument that uses a comparison to Adolph Hitler or Nazi Germany is an losing argument.

To phrases you will never hear from the mouths of the Watchtower, the Governing Body, or Jehovah's Witnesses:

1. We were wrong.

2. I'm sorry.

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Jw.Org: The modern day ''golden calf''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

and the people say: ‘this is our god, who led us out of egypt!’ then the israelites have a big party and worship the golden calf.

when jehovah sees this, he is very angry.

so he says to moses: ‘hurry and go down.

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The sin of idolatry has nothing to do with making idols. Idolatry is making a god out of something and worshiping it. JW.Org is worshiped by JWs.

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Jw.Org: The modern day ''golden calf''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

and the people say: ‘this is our god, who led us out of egypt!’ then the israelites have a big party and worship the golden calf.

when jehovah sees this, he is very angry.

so he says to moses: ‘hurry and go down.

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Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?

Where's the proof of this other than circular reasoning?

Jehovah God caused the Bible to be written in such a way that one needs to come in touch with His human channel before one can fully and accurately understand it. True, we need the help of God's holy spirit, but help comes to us primarily by association with the channel Jehovah God sees fit to use.

The Bible was put together by the Catholic Church in the 3rd Century A.D. Was the Catholic Church God's channel for 1600 years before Rutherford in 1919?

The Golden Calf picture with the JW.Org logo on it is actually quite accurate.

Jehovah now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people, whom you led up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. They have quickly deviated from the way I commanded them to go. They have made for themselves a website of a publishing company, and they keep bowing down to it and sacrificing to it and saying, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who led you up out of the land of Egypt.’”

I truly thought my father would have caught on to this. Unfortunately he is quite smitten with the website.

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How Long Is Forever?

by HiddenPimo in

imagine you have a spoon and you dig out one scoop of soil from the ground in central new york.

then you put that soil in a bag and carry it with you as you travel from there to the grand canyon.

you repeat these steps until you have created another grand canyon in new york and filled the original one in arizona.

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Living forever flies in the face of the natural order of things. Imagine the universe as a single, organic entity that is constantly creating new life while life simultaneously is ending. A cycle if you will.

Living forever devalues life because it negates purpose. Anything you can do today you can put off until next millennium as you will be alive then as well. The whole anxiety of dying is experienced only when one has not found a purposeful life. This is why Witnesses are obsessed with living forever. They have no purpose now because they believe that this life is not "the real life". For them all purpose begins only when they are on the other side of Armageddon.

With that being said, I have also recently become acquainted with the theory of the Big Bounce. That is the theory that universe has no beginning and has no end. It only resets itself every so often with a Big Bang. Then there's the First Law of Thermodynamics. If energy cannot be created or destroyed in a closed environment (e.g. the universe), it can only change forms, then what happens to consciousness when the body dies?

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November WT study article

by Gorbatchov in

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in one of the study articles from the november 2020 edition, is mentioned (free quotation):.

"don"t get disturbed if your kingdom hall will be sold".

food on the right time, i asume?.

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I was born in back in the 1970s and was in until about 2010. During that time I would often hear about areas needing new Kingdom Halls due to growth. That is why there was a whole contribution box in every Kingdom Hall just for that purpose.

Now, the excuse is being given that it is too expensive to do this. So congregations who's numbers are dwindling are being consolidated into one congregation at one Kingdom Hall. The unused Kingdom Halls are being sold and allegedly the proceeds go to build Kingdom Halls where the increase in number requires more meeting space.

Here's the problem with this new model - its a never ending cycling. Who is to say a few years from now the area that was consolidated doesn't experience growth and now needs another Kingdom Hall? Who is to say during that same time the area that needed a new Kingdom Hall doesn't experience a decrease and now they can be consolidated into one Kingdom Hall?

If the rising cost of building and operating Kingdom Halls is such an issue why not just stop having them all together? Wouldn't it make more fiscal sense to just rent/lease a space to hold meetings? They do it for Memorials every year. They last few years I was in I remember going to a hotel ballroom or a community center for the Memorial than attending at a Kingdom Hall. If it is alright to celebrate the Lord's Evening Meal at the local Holiday Inn why not have the public talk there too?

Why not buy double wide trailer homes and just park them wherever they need them? If the congregations shrink, consolidate them and then move one of the trailers to where the congregations have grown.

I could go on and on with models that work better than what the Watchtower is currently doing. However, I think that is just evidence to the fact that it is not about the congregations - its about the money.

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Did you feel contempt for Non Witnesses

by Steel in

the other day i went to this farm owned by this jw lady with my wife being a jw and my mother being a non witness.

later taking to my mother she noticed this vibe like this jw lady really hated her.

she just had these little slags like when we tried to pay for the fruit we picked , she looked directly at my wife and said " don't worry about it, i only charge wordly people ".. i also have this aunt who is a jw we are estranged from.

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I never felt contempt for non-Witnesses when I was a Witness. Probably because, much to my parents' dismay, I always maintained friendships with non-Witnesses. In fact, throughout the 30 some odd years I was in many of my best friends were non-Witnesses.

I recall clearly being counselled (I think it was a Watchtower study) that we were to refrain from calling non-Witnesses names like "worldly people." The Biblical reference comes from the Pharisees who used the term "am ha·ʼaʹrets" or "people of the land" as a derogatory slur. The Pharisees used this term to refer to those who did not observe Jewish customs. Sound familiar?

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How do JWs view the Ransom?

by Vanderhoven7 in

looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..

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JWs teach that any being created perfect that sins is not redeemable. Therefor Adam, Eve, Satan, and all demons are forever condemned to death.

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