Posts by OBVES

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"I need to do more Bible study"

by sabastious in

i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".

i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.

if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".

OBVES

You need to study the Bible all over again and examine my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn where you can read about the nature of the predictions in the endtime era.
There is no specific date given in the Bible when Jesus will return .

You can find in the Bible Jesus is God and that Jesus is not God , you can find in the Bible there is a hot hell and you can find verses in the Bible there is no hot hell .And for ages people argued about these topics with most people getting the wrong explanations.

There is no date given in the Bible. There are many possible dates to give based on understanding of the Bible so the task of arrival at the right date is extremely difficult .There not two choices like in the case of hell where most people were wrong but thousands of possible dates .

So no wonder we must be very cautious when giving a specific date and let people know what is the essence of the predictions about the coming of Jesus and the end of the world.

Harold Camping is against all local churches including Jehovah's Witnesses but I am with Jehovah's Witnesses . He got the date May,21,2011 while I have Septemeber 28,2011 .And I must give him some credit in his date as calculations he presents on his Open Forum program are superb.

Read the story of Harold Camping on Wikipedia. He's number 1 Bible preacher on radio decisively. Right now when I am writing this response I have a audio tape running with his Open Forum .

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

OBVES

Out of 100 children born almost all later on - after they grow up - waste their lives by not believing in God properly.They will die sooner or later forever . While any child that died earlier still may have a chance to rise in the Paradise and believe in God after growing up and live forever.

If I were to be a rebel against God now I would be better off immeasurably if I died as a child as God would resurrect me in the Paradise and give a chance to live forever.

Harold Camping made a nice point once.Those people who were true believers in Haiti and died in a earthquake there ( in 2010 ) were blessed by God as they went to heaven in their souls ( to live a happy life there ) leaving their misery they had in their country .Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world.

Those who don't believe in a better life after death think this life is all we have as the most precious . If you know fully well that once you die as a child of God the next moment you are alive is a happy life much better than this present life.

If you want best for your child and face the following :

should I give transfusion which you understand is forbidden by God or let your child die

you may think about the latter choice as the best as your child will be resurrected in the Paradise and have a chance to live on .

If you allow the transfusion that will keep your child living you know by the statistics that most likely you will lose your child as almost all children that grow up are not becoming true believers in God in their lifetime;so they will die forever .

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"I need to do more Bible study"

by sabastious in

i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".

i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.

if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".

OBVES

You don't understand Jesus spoke in parables,metaphors etc - Matthew 13.11,34-35.

Read Matthew 24.35 it is one preceding verse to Matthew 24.36 .

Jesus says there heaven and earth shall pass away . The point is heaven nd earth shall not pass away literally !Jesus spoke about the present evil world order that will pass away.

Psalms 148.104.5 show heavens and earth are forever .There cannot be contradictions in the Bible.

If you take the Matthew 24.36 literally you must be then unsaved person according to the Bible which says in Romans 3.9:

there is none righteous and there is none that seeks after God .

So, so , we cannot take these words literally as they stand we must interpret them in the light of other related passages in the Bible !

The same principle applies to Matthew 24.35-36.

Read Luke 12.39-40 which is also commonly misunderstood .

Read in the verse 39 to watch a goodman of the house must know the time when a thief is coming ! The next verse taken literaly ( verse 40 ) imposes a wrong take on the previous verse people think that a goodman doesn't know the time that is why he must watch !

Begin to study the Bible properly ! You must agree both sentences as there cannot be contradictions in God's words. They seem to contradict each other if taken cautiously .

Acts 1.7-8 is another example of misunderstanding the Bible .

Jesus was speaking to his apostles who were to be sent into the world to preach the Good News and the end of the world was not to take place in their lives so they didn't need to know the exact time of the end .

It is not for you ( my apostles standing here ) to know the time of the end . You will die long time before the end comes .

The knowledge of when the end will come is needed by those who will witness the end personally in their lives.

But there is more to the passage :

It is not of you to know the time .... You cannot know of yourself when the end will come but by the Holy Ghost that is in you.

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"I need to do more Bible study"

by sabastious in

i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".

i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.

if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".

OBVES

He was predicting the year 1994 AD but you don't see the question mark in the title or so ?

He is asked and attacked on his Open Forum program on this issue and he answers very well .

He is not predicting now . The May,21,2011 AD is declared by him as 100% certainty !He doesn't question the date at all !

If you don't listen order the book " We Are Almost There " or read on the internet from the website or also you can listen to Open Forum.

http://www.familyradio.com

He is very good at answering can we know the time when Jesus comes back .

If you are not in endtime mood chances are slim you are a child of God.

People quote Matthew 24.36 but they don't go further in the same chapter : Matthew 24.37-39 : Noah knew the time when the Flood will strike the earth.

Matthew 24.45-50 : good servant of Lord will know the time .

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Are they really that bad???

by anonymous4 in

had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .

is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?

:-).

OBVES

If you think I am wrong quote me another one instead .And show me why do you think they surpass Jehova's Witnesses.

The only exception can be some individuals that don't don't belong to any earthly christian organization.

Tha fact the prediction for 2011 AD is in place in a very strong way and Jehovah's Witnesses are covered by the period of 120 years we had in our endtime era in the likeness of Noah's days testifies in their favor.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

-Times when Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught a new true religion :

7 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD .

1879 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD .

The exact copy of the time when Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught .

The International Bible Student Association is linked to it undisputably.

The name watchtower links both the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses which must be their legitimate successors.

Jehovah's Witnesses must have also a 7-year period :

1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD.

And the individual faith has its 7-year period :

1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD .

Go to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and find my one post there by OBVES and retrieve earlier posts by clicking on " more options" and then

on " find more messages by this author ".

When you quote another religious organization please use the dates that can link them to the times of Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught the true religion.

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"I need to do more Bible study"

by sabastious in

i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".

i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.

if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".

OBVES

You search the internet with the Bible at hand and ask God for guidance . I would recommend right now since the time is winding down and the year 2011 AD is being predicted as the time for the return of Jesus and the end of the world you go to these two websites :

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and http://www.familyradio.com

Harold Camping from the Famoly Radio is my best opponent and yet I am very interested in his explanations of the Bible on his fabulous Open Forum program you can listen even by the internet from the website I gave above.

I wrote many posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( a google group ) I recommend you visist often as we approach the year 2011 AD.

Compare what Harold Camping is teaching to what I am teaching using the Bible all the time and asking God for help .

If you hear about someone making a prediction based on the Bible examine that person's views .

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If God truly loved humans...why not reveal himself ? So that they could make an informed decision ?

by smiddy in

we learn from the bible that god spoke to adam ,then certain faithful ones,then after moses only the preisthood that was established,and individuals, raised as prophets,and this by the way is only a a small select group on the planet.never mind about other groups of humans.

fastforward to the era of christ ,again, god is only dealing with a small select group to advise and admonish.during the time from moses to christ he was only dealing with what became one small nation.the rest of humankind were left to their own devices.fastforward down to this 21st century we have no guidance/instruction/prophets to instruct or guide us.

( i know this is where jw`s would say but we have been preaching & teaching you god`s truths since 1879 ) all i can say their, is take your head out of the sand and look at all the changes ,corrections adjustments,re-adjustments,reversals,and failed expectations of prophecy you have published over this last century )so as to my question why hasn`t the god of the universe revealed himself to all humans of every race on all continents instead of just a small select group, if he truly was interested in the human race.

OBVES

The number to call is 1-800-322-5385 on weekdays if program Open Forum alive between 8.30-10 PM EST USA .

Tell him that you will see Christmas on this earth in 2011 as well.

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If God truly loved humans...why not reveal himself ? So that they could make an informed decision ?

by smiddy in

we learn from the bible that god spoke to adam ,then certain faithful ones,then after moses only the preisthood that was established,and individuals, raised as prophets,and this by the way is only a a small select group on the planet.never mind about other groups of humans.

fastforward to the era of christ ,again, god is only dealing with a small select group to advise and admonish.during the time from moses to christ he was only dealing with what became one small nation.the rest of humankind were left to their own devices.fastforward down to this 21st century we have no guidance/instruction/prophets to instruct or guide us.

( i know this is where jw`s would say but we have been preaching & teaching you god`s truths since 1879 ) all i can say their, is take your head out of the sand and look at all the changes ,corrections adjustments,re-adjustments,reversals,and failed expectations of prophecy you have published over this last century )so as to my question why hasn`t the god of the universe revealed himself to all humans of every race on all continents instead of just a small select group, if he truly was interested in the human race.

OBVES

The miracles were done there by God through Moses and what had happened to Israel ? Almost all that were freed from Egypt rebelled and died !

The way it is now with the Bible is a very good way God acts towards us when we still live with sinful nature.

Concerning Satan he was chained for symbolic 1000 years which is a 1772-year period from 106 AD to 1878 AD . Examine my posts.

I got the number 2772 * for God's name and when divided into two parts : 1772 + 1000 . " 1772 " = " 1000 ".

* You must retrieve my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn or alt.bible related to counting God's name.

Satan was set free in the period 1878 AD - 1914 AD and he is leading nations of Gog and Magog .It is not after 1000 years many people think will be in the future.

106 AD .... + " 1000 years .... 1878 AD ... 1879 AD .. 1884 AD ... 1914 AD .

96 AD - The book of Revelation + "symbolic 10 days" as 10 years - Revelation 2.10 = 106 AD.

Satan will be destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ and the best date is September 28,2011 AD.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

The latest understanding is the Deceber ,21,2012 the last evil people will be destroyed and a new era will begin.

Daniel 7.12 : " time and season " = one year and 3 months.

September 21,2011 AD ... + 7 days = September 28,2011 AD

September 21,2011 AD + 1 years + 3 months = December 21,2012 AD.

When God reveals Himself and if He will do it in 2011 AD almost 7 billion people will fall dead .

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Rutherford's Doctrines are Dead and so are the Reasons for JWs House-to-House Ministry

by AndersonsInfo in

terry, a very astute poster on jwn recently started the following thread of interest:.

when i read the posts on terrys thread, i was reminded that in my last two articles, which can be read on freeminds and were posted recently on jwn by randy watters, i discussed the changes made to two major old watch tower doctrines that have definitely affected todays door to door ministry of jehovahs witnesses: .

1) the teaching, vindicate jehovah's name," officially changed in 1993, after seven decades of use, to "sanctify jehovah's name" (which is more in line with the lord's prayer, "let your name be sanctified").

OBVES

Click on http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and see dates in the endtime era we live how they are related to the times when Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught a new , true christian religion .

7 BC = 1879 AD ; 2 BC = 1884 AD; 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1914 AD -1918 AD - 1921 AD.

Notice ideal same time gaps between the dates.

The International Bible Students Association revived the true christian religion and Jehovah's Witnesses by holding on to the name watchtower became their legitimate successors.

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2010 CHRISTMAS CARD EXCHANGE

by blondie in

jw
friends

i will volunteer to coordinate this.. if you would like a card sent to you or send a card, pm me your mailing address and a name the post office will deliver to.. what do you think the cut off date should be for sending the exchange lists out to everyone?.

do you want it pm'd or e-mailed (if emailed send your email address with your snail mail.. i know that cards going overseas can take longer.. .

blondie.

OBVES

You have two choices right now:

http://www.familyradio.com with May,21,2011 AD announcement

or the later on :

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and the best date is September 28,2011 AD .

In both cases Christmas in December 25,2011 AD should not happen.