Posts by Greybeard

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My video recorded apostasy trial is now live

by RayPublisher in

part 3 (which is where the actual meeting begins) is finished.

it took my computer hours and hours to render and upload it!!

anyway, this is what i just posted on my youtube channel:.

Greybeard

AWESOME Job on the video and everything Eric. You know how I feel bro. To everyone else here, Eric is my best friend (besides my wife of course ;) and I love him like a brother. I heard all of this meeting the day after. 3 hours long! It is unbelievable. Eric had to have help in that room from above. Eric controled 95% of the entire meeting and made point after point. Eric is a very talented strong man and it took a lot for him to do this considering all he has been going through. It takes people like this to bring about change. I have no doubt the JWorg will try to take this video off the internet with their lawyers. I hope that will not happen but who knows. If they could they would shut all of these websites down. I do respect these elders for listening to Eric for so long. None of us thought they would give him any time at all to talk but they did. I respect them for that because it shows they were trying to win him back. Many elders that I have known wouldn't have let him speak long at all. I feel sorry for them because they hold the organization up like a golden calf and even stated that they took a vow to be loyal to the org. Say what??? Where does Jesus or Jehovah come in here? What about, "Put your trust in no man" and "do not be called leaders for one is your leader, the Christ." These people have disowned the one who purchased them with his own blood. Who else pass the wine and bread around as they encourage all to reject it? Unbelievable...

Love you Eric and all of you here on JWnet,

Greybeard

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IF cornered, what 2 or 3 examples of error in JW teaching would you point out?

by undercover in

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just curious about this.

if - if you were cornered by elders or family or even an outsider who was curious, what two or three things would you use to point out why you no longer accept "the truthtm"?

(an exercise, not a factual situation).

Greybeard

I like to keep things simple... JW's claim to be Gods messengers preaching the good news of the Kingdom to all the world right? I like to share Isaiah 44:26, " (Jehovah) ...the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers."

Has God ever made the words of this "faithful servant" come true?

They say they NEVER claimed to be prophets who spoke in Gods name. That is a pure 100% lie. I like to share the facts HERE

Most JW's, if asked will tell you they believe God will read hearts and save more than just the JW's but that is not what the Watchtower teaches. I like to share the facts HERE

These are only a few points of many ;)

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I need help finding something in the Watchtower PLEASE... I don't have the CD Library

by Greybeard in

i feel curtain that there was a watchtower article/articles that state christ blood only covers those of the anointed class, 144,000. they go on to say the "other sheep" are saved by association with the anointed/fds.

am i wrong here?

i thought for sure i read that a long time ago and it rang my bell then... please help me find this if you can or set me straight on it.. thank you!.

Greybeard

I feel curtain that there was a Watchtower article/articles that state Christ blood only covers those of the anointed class, 144,000. They go on to say the "other sheep" are saved by association with the anointed/FDS. Am I wrong here? I thought for sure I read that a long time ago and it rang my bell then... Please help me find this if you can or set me straight on it.

Thank you!

Greybeard

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They will be DFing me soon for apostasy...

by RayPublisher in

well i figured i should give you all an update.

they will be dfing me soon for apostasy.

it is not a huge surprise and i am not afraid nor "shaking in my boots", however i will admit it is stressful right now.

Greybeard

Hang in there brother. I love you my friend.

Greybeard

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unanswerable questions

by outsmartthesystem in

hey all...... i have decided to compile a list of questions that jws simply cannot answer without opening up a vulnerability.....such as.

1) if jesus is only mediator for the 144,000 then who is the mediator for the rest of us?

2) plasma is one of the four main components of blood and cannot be taken.

Greybeard

14. If Jehovah is " the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers" as Isaiah 44:26 tells us then why haven't Jehovah Witnesses words completely come true?

See how the Watchtower explains this here: http://www.jwstruggle.com/2011/11/jehovah-god-is-the-grand-identifier-of-his-true-messengers/

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Has the GB ever said, "We are good-for-nothing slaves" as Jesus commanded at Luke 17:10?

by Greybeard in

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luke 17:10, "so you, also, when you have done all the things assigned to you, say, we are good-for-nothing slaves.

" (nwt).

all we ever read in the watchtower is how wonderful the "slave" is .

Greybeard

"...f or one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers."

" Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ."

" Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."

Hmmmmm.....

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Has the GB ever said, "We are good-for-nothing slaves" as Jesus commanded at Luke 17:10?

by Greybeard in

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friends

luke 17:10, "so you, also, when you have done all the things assigned to you, say, we are good-for-nothing slaves.

" (nwt).

all we ever read in the watchtower is how wonderful the "slave" is .

Greybeard

Luke 17: 10, " So YOU , also, when YOU have done all the things assigned to YOU , say, ‘We are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done." (NWT)

All we ever read in the Watchtower is how wonderful the "slave" is

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DO THREE ELDER'S MEAN IT IS JUDICIAL?!?

by DATA-DOG in

i have a friend who met with a couple of elders recently and i was told things went well, no issues.

well a couple weeks later they stopped by my friends place, ( just to say hi ) right before they left they said, " hey can we meet again?

my friend said, " sure ".

Greybeard

It takes only 3 elders to make a JC. They can add more if they feel the need. When I was only 20 I was in a JC that had 5 elders. The CO and DO were asked to join

This sounds like a JC for sure if you asked me. Why 3 elders? Watch out for these nuts, they will DF you in a heartbeat.

I would avoid them at all costs if he doesn't want to get DFed. Do not go into a meeting blindfolded. Make them tell you what it is about. What are the charges and who are the accusers? You have a right to ask these questions.

Good luck,

Greybeard

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