Zechariah
Francois gave you some excellent advice. You would do well to take it.
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My Most Personal Testimony
by Zechariah inthis post is to me a god sent opportunity to once again deliver accurately the "truth that sets men free".
when last i posted the post you will find below about homosexuals i am aware from responses i received from it people assumed i myself was gay and just trying to excuse my own behavior.
the truth is i am not gay but for sure i related to their situation in that i was and am a lifelong sex addict with the .
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My Child Of God Philosophy
by Zechariah inthe child of god comes of age
this is the whole story as i have been inspired to know it.
we are helped in our understanding of god by relating or analogizing him to other things that are similar we know better.
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Zechariah
You are correct in assuming that I do not believe the literal account in Genesis about the creation of man. And no, I do not believe that God would have created something perishable. Nor do I believe that Adam was perfect. The account is an allegory and edited extensively by various Jewish editors. If you believe that God created something subject to illness and death, then I would suggest that your God is too small. I regard Jesus as a wayshower, a teacher, a brother, a spiritual master. Was he the Son of God? Of course he was! But then, so are we all! Did he not say, "The things that I do shall ye do also, and greater things shall ye do..." Jesus was special in the sense that he came remembering who and what he was. His mission was to help us remember. The idea is best expressed in this passage from A Course In Miracles.
"Listen-perhaps you catch a hint of an ancient state not quite forgotton; dim, perhaps, and yet not altogether unfamiliar, like a song whose name is long forgotten; and the circumstances in which you heard completely unremembered. Not the whole song has stayed with you, but just a little wisp of melody, attached not to a person or a place or anything particular. But you remember, from just this little part, how lovely was the song, how wonderful the setting where you heard it, and how you loved those who were there and listened with you. "
"The notes are nothing. Yet you have kept them with you, not for themselves, but as a soft reminder of what would make you weep if you remembered how dear it was to you. You could remember, yet you are afraid; believing you would lose the world you learned since then. And yet you know that nothing in the world you learned is half so dear as this. Listen, and see if you remember an ancient song you knew so long ago and held more dear than any melody you taught yourself to cherish since."
"Beyond the body, beyond the sun and stars, past everything you see and yet somehow familiar, is an arc of golden light that stretches as you look into a great and shining circle. And all the circle fills with light before your eyes. The edges of the circle disappear, and what is in it is no longer contained at all. The light expands and covers everything, extending to infinity forever shining and with no break or limit anywhere. Within it everything is joined in perfect continuity. Nor is it possible to imagine that anything could be outside, for there is nowhere that this light is not."
"This is the vision of the Son of God, whom you know well. Here is the sight of him who knows his Father. Here is the memory of what you are; a part of this, with all of it within, and joined to all as surely as all is joined in you. Accept the vision that can show you this, and not the body. You know the ancient song, and know it well. Nothing will ever be as dear to you as is this ancient hymn of love the Son of God sings to his Father still."
"And now the blind can see, for that same song they sing in honor of their Creator gives praise to them as well. The blindness that they made will not withstand the memory of this song. And they will look upon the vision of the Son of God, remembering who he is they sing of. What is a miracle but this remembering? And who is there in whom this memory lies not? The light in one awakens it in all. And when you see it in your brother, you are remembering for everyone." P. 416, Ed 1, ACIM.
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My Child Of God Philosophy
by Zechariah inthe child of god comes of age
this is the whole story as i have been inspired to know it.
we are helped in our understanding of god by relating or analogizing him to other things that are similar we know better.
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It seems to me that your entire analogy is based on a false premise, that life on an imperfect earth in a perishable body of flesh is God's idea. A more likely scenario is that we were created perfect, whole, and complete (in God's image) and that we decided to do our own thing, or at least dream that we were doing our own thing, separate and apart from our creator. In other words, "Please, Mommy, I'd rather do it myself". Of course we needed a place to do it and so we created this planet. After all, doesn't the book of John say that it was the Son(Logos) that made it all. We are all part of that Sonship. And then some of us came down to play. "And the Word became flesh". The problem is that we have forgotten that we are playing. I do agree with your analogy that we are all cells in the mind of God. However, these cells are imperishable. Do you really believe that our Creator can lose part of Himself/Herself? If God had made this planet, it would be perfect and it certainly is not. If God had created these bodies of flesh that we inhabit, they too would be perfect and imperishable. They certainly are not. The writers of Genesis sensed the source of the problem. We tried to surplant God. We exchanged "life" for knowledge. Maybe God planned it that way. In any case, we have been playing in the garden for a long time. We will certainly get called home for supper. You can bet that it will be a better place than a "paradise earth". Perhaps Mommy sent one of our brothers (Jesus) to remind us that it is time to come home.
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another fun psych test, try it
by terabletera in> > make sure to change the score on the subject line.
> > b) make a quiet entrance, looking around for.
> > to your head.
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45 for me!
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Why do we age?
by haujobbz instupid question but why do we age, although scientists think it genetic, is it really why we age.. religion says its due to sin.. evolution says what on this subject.
its strange because many yearn for eternal life and thats probably why so many are attracted to religion.. i suppose it could be us wanting to survive, its still strange though because its such a waste .
im confused.
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Deepak Chopra has a great book on that very question. I think Francois has the best handle on it, however.
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Yes the WT Told Millions of Youth NO COLLEGE!!
by JT in*** watchtower september 1 1975 p.543 questions from readers *** .
how many years of secular education are advisable for children in christian households?
today, there are many teenage baptized servants of jehovah... how far should they go with a secular education?
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Most of my children fell for this bullshit in the mid 70's. My eldest daughter resisted the pressure and returned to the college her JW mother and I both graduated from. She continued to get pressure from the elders in the college town. She didn't respond to that pressure very well and eventually got DF'd for "not putting Jehovah first". She soon began to earn almost twice what her brothers and sisters were making. Two of my other daughters finally started back to school and one has recently graduated in nursing. The other is a senior in accounting. It is very hard however, since family and career were started in the meantime. They could only go part time. I've had JWs tell me that the WTBTS never really discouraged kids from going to college and that it was a personal decision on their part. THAT IS HORSE HOCKEY! I was there and lived it. As a result, there is a whole generation of JWs who are working for people not as smart as they are, but have college degrees. The line of the Wizard of OZ to the scarecrow is prophetic. "Brain? You don't need a brain." "What you need is a diploma."
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The Elder That Wanted To Disfellowship The Dead
by minimus ini mentioned about the elder that masturbated in another post.
this same man at the elder's school, felt that the appropriate course to take against a person that committed suicide was to disfellowship him.
when he was questioned about the reason, he felt that the person, no doubt, committed a sin against the spirit.
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Perhaps this guy was an ex-catholic. They don't allow suicides to be buried in "hallowed ground", whatever the hell that is.
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Inspired Writting?
by kenpodragon into start i would like to say, i apologize if any of this post offends christians.
if you are a christian and get offended from people questioning the bible, i would not read beyond this paragraph.
this is written with a slant on a witness view and teaching i had to overcome in my exit ...
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I run across stuff all the time that I regard as "Inspired Writing". I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it, or hear it. Why do we think that God stopped communicating with men just because a bunch of theologens got together and canonized the bible? Why did the King stand during a portion of the Messiah? Because he was open enough to hear God talking. The portrayal of Mozart in the movie Amadeus made the point very well. Salieri was more than irritated because God seemed to talk to Mozart who wasn't even very moral. There are those who seem to be able to get their own ego selves out of the way and let God come through. We could probably all do it, but we aren't willing to give up our sense of personal self. I'm with Saint Satan on this one.
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Life-giving Knowledge? Please HELP!
by bound2fly2002 inhello,am new at this so bear with me please.
i need any scriptures that any ex-witnesses can give to refute the idea of "knowledge leads to everlasting life".
need this asap before next meeting with them at my home.
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It is a mistake to spend time arguing scripture with the witnesses. My father used to say "Don't put much effort into trying to teach a pig to sing." "It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
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Why we NEED the WATCHTOWER.
by refiners fire inthe watchtower: october 15, 1953. article - "the watchtower, a bible study aid" .
brothers, i present it for your uplifting.
a little light sunday reading..... .
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You post reminded me of my first attendance at a WT study with my
"annointed" JW wife. The leader raised a very complex theological question and asked for a response from the audience. Having studied all the angles for many years, I responded. WRONG ANSWER! He then called on a 10 year old kid sitting behind me who responded with a complex theological answer to the question. He knew something I didn't know; that the only correct answers were printed at the bottom of the page. None others were acceptable or open to discussion.