Posts by cptkirk

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Are we really mortal?

by cptkirk in

or could we be immortal?.

what is consciousness?

is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain?

should of clarified: (i obviously know you can change matter at the atomic level) if that is what you were referring to, i dont see how that precludes anything. i was asking you in regard to matter changing into something not "recognizable", as in something unknown to the periodic table. if you meant the latter than the question remains. if you meant the former, again i dont see how that precludes anything.

(my overall point in why i believe this is possible is because: are the grains of sand really that numberable? or the stars in the sky? or atoms? to us they are, but does that mean they really are?) that is why i believe this is possible. once infinity is realized, is anything numerable? if matter cannot be created nor destroyed. "although it may be rearranged in space and changed into different types of particles; and that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products." -einstein in quotes...then why would we not be immortal? if a candy bar is immortal, shouldn't we be also? we are more complex than a candy bar but so what? we have infinity for our molecules to reform over and over. when they click into the right configuration, you got consciousness, when they dont, you have nothing. then they are broken down and re-arranged again. and again, and again and again.

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Are we really mortal?

by cptkirk in

or could we be immortal?.

what is consciousness?

is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain?

cptkirk

qcmbr: i'll admit this isn't my area of expertise. but couple things on your post. one: we aren't already mad? two: what is the precedent for any matter becoming un-recognizable matter? and if there is no precedent, where do you come up with this?

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Are we really mortal?

by cptkirk in

or could we be immortal?.

what is consciousness?

is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain?

cptkirk

gladiator: you're thinking in short term. 50 billion years is short term. just like that possibility of asteroids bringing life to earth. there's your stardust. and your return to a planet that can sustain life. think in trillions of quadrillions of years. infinity.

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Are we really mortal?

by cptkirk in

or could we be immortal?.

what is consciousness?

is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain?

cptkirk

ok flip i'll bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7OLCbjuidE

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Are we really mortal?

by cptkirk in

or could we be immortal?.

what is consciousness?

is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain?

cptkirk

or could we be immortal?

what is consciousness? is it not the formation and function of the organ we call the brain? (along with it's supporting cast of organs).

consider how vast the universe is. as scientists say in layman's terms "it's all the same stuff". (in regard to matter found within the cosmos. see periodic table)

we cannot wrap our minds around the concept of infinity. but if we consider what einstein said regarding "matter cannot be created nor destroyed".

could it then be possible that after we die, when our brain specifically goes back to dust...isn't it recycled, it's not "destroyed". so eventually, in the context of infinity, we will live again...eventually.

even withstanding the theory which suggests the entire cosmos will eventually collapse....if matter cannot be created nor destroyed...our particles will be in that "soup"...and the same laws will take shape, even after the entire collapse of the cosmos, the violent process will start from scratch again. infinitely collapsing and reproducing. even with the most incredible odds against us of being reformed in the soup, at a later date again, in the context of infinity...it will eventually happen again....again even if it takes 50000000 trillion years, it will recycle us. and we will live again, and again, and again, and again.

i love the mathematic principle of process of elimination. once you elimate all the molecules which have no context in the realm of consciousness, it leaves an entire mass of energy/matter which have nothing to do with conciousness...so once you've elimated all of them......you are left with a relatively small soup of concsiousness molecules which constantly recycle us. in contrast to all other existing energy/matter within the cosmos.

i think i just set the framework for a really good movie. you ever see in the movies where the sub-title says "20 years later..." . how bout a sub-title that says "800 Quadrillion years later..."

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i'm going back to kh, they have the truth.

by cptkirk in

btw anakim:.

a race of people of extraordinary size who inhabited the mountainous regions of canaan as well as some coastal areas, particularly in the s thereof.

at one time three prominent men of the anakim, that is, ahiman, sheshai, and talmai, resided at hebron.

cptkirk

just kidding.

btw anakim:

A race of people of extraordinary size who inhabited the mountainous regions of Canaan as well as some coastal areas, particularly in the S thereof. At one time three prominent men of the Anakim, that is, Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, resided at Hebron. (Nu 13:22) It was here that the 12 Hebrew spies first saw the Anakim, and 10 of the spies subsequently gave a frightening report of the experience, alleging that these men were descendants of the pre-Flood Nephilim and that, by comparison with them, the Hebrews were like “grasshoppers.” (Nu 13:28-33; De 1:28) Their great stature caused them to be used as a standard of comparison in describing even the giantlike men of the Emim and the Rephaim. Their strength apparently produced the proverbial saying: “Who can make a firm stand before the sons of Anak?”—De 2:10, 11, 20, 21; 9:1-3.

Descendants of the pre-flood nephilim??????? wtf?????? (this from the wts own publication...)

i like this translation of genesis 6:3

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

oh damn! wait satan is the reason man got their lifespan cut short??? evil cannot be attributed to god!! what?? god threw a fit and said sorry you men of flesh, you're gettin on my fkn nerves!!! yea this holds real consistent with bible teachings!!!

So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground, from man to domestic animal, to moving animal and to flying creature of the heavens, because I do regret that I have made them.”

descendants of the nephilim....(wipe men off the surface..including the animals...impelled by angels fornicating with women....) descendants of the nephilim........seen by joshua....

100 + -100 = 0

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"The Bible is Not a Book. It's a Library."

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

i would like to call your attention to this recent article by karl giberson, ph.d., scholar of science & religion, and the former president of the biologos foundation.

his conclusion is that we need not dismiss all of the bible, just because some of it is not accurate.

.. but how do we decide which parts of the bible should be read literally?

cptkirk

if you look at all the gaps in the greek scriptures regarding jesus, all the things that make you say 'hmm...this can't be right....'. you do the research and it's still not right. superimposing the idea that jesus was just the same as santa claus, actually makes all the gaps make perfect sense. it's a fairy tale, and the gaps you would expect in any fairy tale, are the same gaps you find in the stories regarding jesus.

maybe 2,000 years from now when society goes into crisis again, they will fall back on the stories of tolkien to get them through.

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on the subject of elders reading this message board

by cptkirk in

i'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.

yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.

didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?

cptkirk

it's a process of accumulating data. i want to know the full truth about "the truth". and having this resource is a great tool in that pursuit. takes time to get the accurate picture. i had a teacher in school i remember he said "you all start off with an A, it's incumbent on you to keep the A, or lose it." I like to look at life like that. to many this seems naive, but i find it the best way to gather information. in other words, take everything at face value, then over time, vet the inconsistencies, slowly moving closer to accuracy.

my initial impressions from reading this board (before i participated), were bethelites (whatever they're called, the guys at patterson etc)...were reading this board regularly to figure out who was who. there were a number of posts which intimated this. but now, after clarification, it would seem this is not correct.

what would now seem accurate would be "outsmartthesystem"'s post, that they only come here when someone turns in a fellow congregation member, and specifically mentions this web site in context.

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on the subject of elders reading this message board

by cptkirk in

i'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.

yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.

didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?

cptkirk

well said mrquik. that incentive struck me as another contradiction though. similar to the "it's not about the people", "the true followers will be known by the love they have among eachother" contradiction. similarly to seek god for selfish reasons (everlasting life for yourself), also seemed to be another contradiction. for example if all seeking public office were actually seeking public office for their own benefit (not for the work of the people), wouldn't public office become near completely corrupt? similarly all those seeking the kingdom for their own personal benefit, arent they now corrupting god's kingdom? the same as those seeking their own desire, are corrupting mans government?

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Stating the OBVIOUS with such a sense of "discovery"! False prophecy

by Terry in

charles taze russell, j.f.rutherford, fred franz and the entire watchtower writing department from 1879 to this day have fallen into a trap.. they state the obvious with a profound sense of "discovery".. meaning what?.

they look at "today" and look at the "past" and ignore the fact that nobody can look at tomorrow!.

in what sense?.

cptkirk

"The best he could produce was an invisible Jesus."

what was the basis for jesus ever needing to become active invisibly anyway? as if to say he was inactive invisibly, then he became invisibly active.

wouldn't he have become active the instant he ascended ?